Well the last couple of posts made for a pretty disappointing read. If you're going to bring up the old point of
> staff don't care
> you're detached
> you're not listening to the community
then you should probably
read the thread.
Originally Posted by
sirkill1
This is stupid, and I think a large number of official clans is and was fine.
I agree, that's why there's no longer a bullshit clan council system of cloak and daggers.
Originally Posted by
sirkill1
I joined this game 10 years ago and the community was much more active then. There were no obstructive checks like this, and the point system makes no sense. I haven't had the game installed in a number of years but I like the people I talk to in forum and don't think you have the game installed either Erth.
I've played nearly 200 games this month and addressed this very point in another thread on the subject.
Originally Posted by Erth
I'm hoping to improve clans to the point where I want to leave a dead clan in order to join an active one to participate in the new features. That's how I'm going about this, if that helps.
Moreover; to pass the current system a clan can post 50 times a month and play 0 games to pass because
we fucking know that no one plays toribash any more.
Originally Posted by sirkill1
You have legendary status on your clan so you don't have to give a shit about whether your clan is active or not because your board will be there regardless. A large majority of players feel the same way about their clan that you do. Which is to say that their clan is very inactive but they feel connected to it, and would like to occasionally talk to the old members.
If you're talking about occasionally talking, like making 5 posts every few months, then I dunno what you want me to do, dude. The clan is objectively not active, and objectively doesn't still need their board. We're not gonna keep around every official clan just because you feel you deserve it because you found toribash before a lot of other people?
Originally Posted by sirkill1
If the point is to have more active clans, this isn't the way to do it.
No, perks and reasons to play again are the way to do it. Which is what I consider the primary point of this thread.
The activity check was fixing something that was too harsh and making it passable and realistic.
Originally Posted by sirkill1
Long story short, old players, 4+ years are your userbase and they pretty much will never meet these criteria because a majority do not have the game installed. New players won't enjoy it because they feel pressured to keep playing and it will start to feel like a chore rather than something to enjoy.
Please reconsider this new nonsensical point system thing and go back to the way it was in 2010.
If i ran an activity check under the current system right now. All clans except desolate would pass.
2010 clan system was debatably even more retarded because there was nothing. Clan just kinda died when the clan admin felt like doing work. We're not going back to an age of nostalgia that never happened.
Originally Posted by
Azraeel
I have a lot of problems with activity in-game, like im on everyday on discord etc. But like not Toribash. This is why i quit playing sometimes. I feel like the community's voice is not heard. Toribash is a game about the community yet you dont listen to us and even when you do you disagree with us stating some silly reason. My clan is dead too TBN. Now i believe we need a new overhauled clan system. I do not support forced activity ingame or do i support silly fucking rewards on forums for lame ass perks. We want real rewards. Im a clan leader and i know how hard it was to lead a clan give us a real reward....
Please read the thread, dude...
If you have suggestions of "real rewards" then suggest them. But I'm not gonna listen (like I have been this entire time) if you come at me with attitude.
Originally Posted by
Note
I think sirkill is on to something, even if his post may not be the most eloquent way of putting it. The vast majority of the player base for Toribash in-game is new (or newer) players, and the forums are generally frequented by older players who either enjoy talking with friends they've made over their years here or enjoy pursuing a hobby (such as marketing, texturing, etc).
Not sure how true this is. It's true to say that most newer players don't end up finding the forums. They're more content to sit ingame, hence the changes towards not requiring forums to create clans, and the introduction of ingame toriclans.
Older players have clearly formed their own communities within their own sub boards, and the vocal majority in these threads don't stray far beyond them.
Originally Posted by Note
That's the kicker. I think most players who frequent the clans that would be put on the chopping block don't particularly care for the game itself, but the community created from that game is a lot more important. Slaughtering an old clan won't bring any more activity, and I'd predict that it will actually cause less activity. The fact is that it isn't 2008 anymore and forums are slow and relatively cumbersome, especially when there are mods telling people what they can and can't post within their own clan boards.
But that's just
note true. It's just sirkill getting worked up. I've made it pretty clear that clan can pass easily by posting on their forums. Under the current criteria, a clan has to be pretty much totally dead to be killed.
None of what you're saying is untrue, but it's a complete non issue.
We also haven't moderated official clan boards strictly for like... a year now? So i dunno what that's about. Your own clan is pretty clearly not moderated by us, do you see the shit Verax posts?
Originally Posted by Note
Shit, IRC used to always be the way to communicate without getting constantly infracted. I'll admit myself that I have my fair share of expired infractions from useless posting on clan boards, but the way I see it any posting on a private board is better than a group of dead players zombie posting some fake enthusiasm so that their board doesn't get taken down. On the public boards, sure, no shitposting and the like. On a clan board I find that there needs to be more autonomy for a clan to be what the members wish it to be; if a group of sp players seek to create a clan where all they talk about is hot women and their favorite replays, I don't see any issue with it.
Again, doesn't seem like you've read the rule threads. So long as you don't post porn, gore or warez in your board, we don't care what you do there. Your own clan is currently destroying the activity checks almost entirely thanks to shit posting.
Originally Posted by Note
Bottom line is that making new rules, or revamping old ones, won't get anybody more engaged with the game. Having moderators combing through logs and assigning points to clans, both old and new, won't make anyone have a good time. I remember a time when the purpose of a clan board was to socialize and make friendships, not reach a certain amount of posts so the clan could have a shiny new banner on the clan page. We need less moderation, not more.
Again, it's a case of I guess? But also it's a non point and isn't particularly applicable to anything
For real people, don't just piggy back on other peoples anger. This thread, believe it or not, is trying to garner your ideas and be helpful. If you're not going to do me and my team the courtesy of reading it before posting then I dunno why you think you deserve to be listened to properly, when you've not listened to us.
We've put in a lot of work to make this system viable and fair, and work in a way that clearly doesn't kill older clans for the sake of it. There are obviously still improvements that can be made, but it's definitely not a case of "everything is shit, burn it all down" like it once was.
P.S it should also be worth noting that i'm more than happy to talk about this nicely on discord. Despite sirkill's assertions I do still enjoy toribash and enjoy talking about it. It's not a bother if you need clarification on something.
Last edited by Erth; Jan 28, 2019 at 10:30 PM.