Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Oh, boy. Obviously those are terrible instances, but circumstances don't change the calculus. As for the situation of where an abortion is the only way to save a mother's life, I've never found an example of it, yet it is raised all the time in the abortion argument because, of course, the pro-choice side is focused on the extreme cases.
Obviously the things I mentioned are not the majority of cases, but making abortion illegal would definitely give two big middle fingers to all of them. Also, just because you haven't seen stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thought you would know this, being religious and all.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Roughly 99% of abortions are done for convenience, with 40% of those abortions being by women who have had 2 or more abortions (UK.gov statistic 2019).
What is 'convenience'? I tried looking these stats up, UK.gov doesn't exist, you probably mean gov.uk. The query "abortion statistics 2019" brings up this page:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...and-wales-2019. I couldn't find the 99% stat, I guess you mean that 98% of abortions are carried out under Ground C?
Originally Posted by gov.uk, Ground C
That the pregnancy has NOT exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.
This doesn't sound like convenience to me.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Aren't you concerned about that at all?
Of course I would like every abortion to have a good reason behind it, it's not something I see as fun. But it is in my opinion a necessary evil.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Or do you believe that women should have the right to abort in all cases for whatever reason at any stage?
No. Late stage abortions are horrible.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
This isn't an argument. Murder still happens despite murder being illegal. Imagine if it wasn't illegal? There would be lots more murder. That's the point of the law, to decrease the number. No system or law is infallible, and there will always be abortions.
The law against murder is there to reduce harm. I think making abortion illegal would not reduce harm, but increase it.
- The mother suffers through pregnancy and child birth
- The child most likely grows up without parental love
- Desperate mothers (and babies) die in botched coathanger abortions
Probably more harms but you get the point
I'll take the harm of ending the possibility of life for an unthinking, unwanting entity over all these harms any day of the week.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
This is emotionally-reasoned. When exactly does an unborn-unthinking-entity make the transition from unthinking to thinking? I could probably guess that you'd be against killing an already born 25-week-old baby, yet are you for the right to abort a 27-week-old baby still in the womb?
I thought it was pretty logical. Shit life or no life at all? We can't know what the baby wants so we have to make the decision for them. I'm on the side of no life at all.
As for the transition, we don't know. But you can't have thoughts or desires without a brain, right? I believe the brain starts forming around 4 weeks into pregnancy. We've been over late stage abortions already.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Re-read my pretense. I'm against the deliberate killing of innocent human lives.
You acknowledged that innocent people would be put on death row. You are apparently okay with that, as you are in favour of the death penalty.