Ok I really don't want to argue with you because I know this is a personal matter to you, but I also cannot support misinformation like this without calling it out.
Originally Posted by
Hug
any ukrainian can join it regardless his/her political ideologies or lack thereof.
Not true. They are a far-right group that are very vocal about their beliefs. Saying that anyone can join Azov is like saying anyone can join Al-Qaeda, just pure misinformation.
Originally Posted by
Hug
So regarding your statement everyone who joins Azov automatically becomes "nazi scum"?
No, but Azov as a group are clearly neo-nazis, there is no denying that. So to even consider joining them you must be sharing at least some of their beliefs, which doesn't necessarily make you a nazi but certainly means you support them.
Originally Posted by
Hug
Yes, there were incidents when separate individuals, who were involved in criminal cases, fought for some period of time as part of Azov regiment, but what then? Let's nullify all the deeds of all the regiment? That is stupid.
National Socialism in Germany is based on theories of anti-Semitism, racial hierarchy and social Darwinism. So where is it in multicultural Azov?
I don't know where you get your information but Azov are extremely anti-semitic white nationalists. Calling them "multicultural" is just ridiculous. It's like you're reading directly off their recruitment leaflet.
Originally Posted by
Hug
Are there many of nationalists? Yes, hundred percent. What's wrong with being a nationalist? Our nation is young and someone needs to build it. I see a squeamish attitude in the so-called progressive countries towards nationalists and patriots but for us they became a backbone of national resistance and military formations, they were among the first to defend our country when Russia attacked us in 2014.
Yes I'm not saying that they never did anything good or that being a nationalist is inherently wrong. What you can't deny though is that they literally support nazi ideology.
Originally Posted by
Hug
Do they have paganism attributes? Yes, they do, but what's wrong with that if this is a tribute to our ancestors?
This might be lost in translation because I have no idea what paganism has to do with anything here.
Originally Posted by
Hug
Thanks to Azov and other units defending Mariupol, many Mariupol residents who remained in the city managed to evacuate. So how is that nazism
I mean, how is that not nazism...? Nazis heavily support defending their own country, that's in the core of their ideology. So I don't really see your point. As I said defending your country is not wrong and they are doing good by defending Ukraine, but it's still not a group to be supported for obvious reasons.
If you still think they aren't neo-nazis after seeing the sources bellow, you are clearly lying to yourself and you are just as brainwashed as the Russians that you speak of.
If you think supporting neo-nazis is somehow justified in this situation you're basically proving that Russia is right about you being a Nazi supporter.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...security-firm/
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/90692826.cms
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/1...from-mariupol/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...depoliticized/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140811...paratists.html
Last edited by Smaguris; Apr 7, 2022 at 02:13 PM.