I think threatening people with eternal suffering or using big ideas of "damnation" is a pretty unethical way to get someone to believe something. It especially wreaks havoc in the mind of impressionable kids

also yeah to answer the point of this thread, I just think success is realizing the ideal person you envision yourself becoming. Financial freedom and shit is a part of that for me, as well as being able to do something that doesn't feel like work for money. In all the parallel universes where I exist, I wanna be in the one where I don't have to question whether I could have pursued my goals harder. I also hope nobody ever convinces me to have kids man