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Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Actually no. There is no consensus scientifically, as the science keeps changing when its needed to benefit the agenda.

there is, just because you dont believe in science doesn't mean it doesnt exist
https://sociology.cornell.edu/news/a...-effectiveness

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Nearly 15 years ago, Gender Dysmorphia was considered a mental illness and was treated as such.

it's called gender dysphoria you silly gestapo of toilets, besides what exactly is your point? do you think it's good they lobotomised gay and trans people in past

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Now its celebrated and everyone needs to accept it.

which is good, dont go around killing trans people please

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
I personally do not give a fuck what adults do with their lives.

yes you do, especially when adults need to pee, if you didn't you wouldnt be spreading misinformation and spending your time talking about it

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
But as a father myself now, I'd rather you let me teach my children.

are you against sex education what if your child has gender dysphoria and needs to transition

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Wanna know why theres no consensus?

but there literally is a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Because you cannot change biology.

"biological sex" is a clusterfuck of chromosomes, hormones, anatomy, and neurology, most of which are in fact modifiable to align with person’ physical state with their biological brain structure if necessary.
"sex as assigned at birth" is a guess, and it is a guess based on limited information available at a specific moment in time, most of the time this guess is correct, but sometimes it is not

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
I personally respect everyones right to do as they wish.

no, you clearly don't

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
But thats aslong as it doesnt impede on others right to life, liberty and happiness. And quite frankly, the majority of America, and numerous other countries agree with this sentiment. Its not "anti trans," its quite the opposite. Its anti-mutilate children before they can even fully grasp the magnitude of what they're doing.

gac for teens/kids does not involve surgery, there is no "mutilation", gac usually involves reversible blockers to not get physically ruined by wrong hormones and to provide time for further maturity, surgeries typically(and mostly wrongly) are delayed until u turn 18

medical bodies like the AAP argue that denying gac is what actually threatens a childs right to life, trans youth face significantly higher rates of depression and suicide and studies show that access to affirming care drastically reduces these risks, thereby protecting their fundamental well-being



Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Yes! I'd like to not give children the access to irreversible puberty blockers, surgery they might regret

again, they're blockers and they are reversable. they wont get surgeries the moment they walk in the clinic, you're spreading misinformation.

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
This talking point in the trans community is so hilarious because you always miss the point.

didn't you just call dysphoria 'dysmorphia'?

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Normal americans do not care what you want to do once you are a legal adult.

until trans person needs to pee, you gestapo of toilets destroyer of science and statistics

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
We do care about children.

epstein-class says the same about the kids right

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
And more importantly, how easy it is for children to be given these blockers.

so read scientific literacy and dont listen to tiktok grifters, puberty blockers are good


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
And to your last point. The suicide rate in the trans community is somewhere around a little above fifty percent. And that was a study done under biden, when access to all of these ammenities were readily available.

you are referencing this one 2015 transgender survey(it wasnt even under biden) that stated roughly 40%(not 50%) of transgender adults reported attempting suicide at some point in their lifetime, but you are missing the point that the suicide attempts tend to occur before transitioning, the rate of attempts drop once people receive support. research has consistently shown that the access to gac is a protective factor, and studies have found that youth who received gac had 73% lower rates of suicidality over a one-year period, so again you just are presenting misinformation and being ridicilous


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
I do not want anyone to harm themselves. Everyone is entitled to their own sense of happiness in this world, BUT, we cannot just ignore common sense for literally less than 3% of the population.

you talk about common-sense? you are against gac, dont believe in any science written by professionals, and you talk about common sense

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
And lets not forget the detransitioners who have been advocating against giving these affirming care to minors, and telling their stories of how easy it was for them to get affirming care, sometimes without parental consent, and how they now regret that decision.

the detransitioners? there are less people detransitioning than 0,5% out of all trans people, and most the people who detransition dont do it because "they made a mistake", it's mostly temporarily due to external pressures such as lack of money, loss of family support, or workplace discrimination, not a change in their gender identity. the people who say "how easy it was for them to get affirming care" are mostly lying, there is much more to the process than you know and you are being ridicilous again


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
The people you should be upset at are biological women. They voted in mass against trans policies and overtuned numerous statues because they were not feeling safe in their own spaces.

this dumbass "safety" argument is a myth and not backed by crime data, and civil rights are not subject to a "majority rules" vote, there is literally no evidence of "women voting in mass" against trans people. in fact polls like gallup and PRRI literally shows that women are more likely than men to support transrights and inclusive bathroom access

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Guess what? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, welcome to democracy champ.

democracy does not mean the "majority" gets to vote away the fundamental rights of a minority. in usa you have the equal protection clause and title IX and both are designed specifically to protect marginalized groups from being "voted out", you little gestapo of toilets the destroyer of science and statistics


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Women were tired of having "trans women" in their spaces and voted overwhelmly against it

this is a lie again

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Is that a bad thing? No.

yes it would be if it was true actually


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Before there was steps transitioners took before they would try to assimilate into the different spaces. But nowadays, I can claim I am trans, and walk into a womens locker room with my full masculine looks and if someone says anything against it, THEYRE the bigot.

nice strawman but this is not what happens, men "claiming" to be trans just to enter a locker room is a rhetorical scare tactic, not a reality, it doesn't happen and you are just being ridicilous and giving fox news talking points again.. trans ppl generally seek to blend in for their own safety as trans ppl are statistically much more likely to be the victims of assault in bathrooms than anyone else


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Also stop using the term cisgender.

cis cis cis cis cis, cissies mald cis cis


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
There are women and men, thats it.

biology is not a binary, it’s a bimodal distribution and biology itself does not recognize a strict binary the way you mispresent it, there are nonbinary people and there are intersex people, and theres as many intersex individuals roaming around as there are people with red hair


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
You can cope that my takes are "FOX News propaganda" but thats because you live in an echo chamber online and completely have deluded yourself that everyone who doesn't agree with you isn't an ally, and that everyone who opposes you is a nazi.

you're coping cus ur arguments are literally fox news propaganda and nothing you have said so far is based on reality, i dont exist in echo chambers online and i call you a nazi only when u are being a nazi

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Let me ask you this, what have you done personally to support your movement?

wohoo lets do a personal "purity test" of who has done more for the cause....
drumroll.......
ok.. since you asked... as far as i know more than everyone else combined in this game, i'm extremely involved in activism and participate and organise protests alot, theres multiple lawsuits going to take out anti-gender individuals from positions of power, and i have been part in revolutionising trans healthcare in Finland since 2023 translaws came through, i personally found a insane loophole in it that demolished centralisated because they accidentally took it down without realising it, and oppressive trans healthcare monopoly of sitpolis will come down in couple years from now on partly due to my work, we are still working on this to allow people to get access in private side of transhealthcare which will make the process much easier and faster for many people.

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
I can tell you, I personally have donated my time and money to these causes irl.

this is still distraction from the facts, but anyways.
donating to a cause does not grant someone the authority to override medical consensus, u cant "buy" the right to redefine biology or ignore the american medical associations stance that gac is life-saving and necessary


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
But that doesnt mean I support EVERYTHING about it. Yes I can support human beings going through a human experience without completely agreeing with everything they say. Its called having a functioning brain, try it sometimes.

u really cannot claim to support "human beings going through a human experience" while simultaneously u are advocating for the removal of the medical care that human beings and their doctors state is necessary to survive that experience, "supporting a person" but opposing their access to essential healthcare is a contradiction, not "having a functioning brain."


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Norway, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and France all have taken steps against gender affirming care for minors. Protest them aswell.

funny you mention the very countries i have been most active in, thanks for doing that



here is a sampling of supreme court cases ranging from conversion therapy to workplace discrimination and the criminalization of trans care for minors. it usually takes time to reach the supreme court, so at lower court levels, and the appellate levels between them, there is even more of Kaltiala's rhetoric, which has hardened in recent years. fortunately, this is not in all 50 states, but it is in many, and more is being added all the time. for example, the ADF is involved in some circuit courts, which are the judicial level between the state and federal (supreme court).

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2024/02/25/problematic-new-finnish-study-shows-trans-care-saves-lives/ examples of press freedom that finland lacks. the problems with the research and the researcher's political connections are explained clearly, and reference is made to finnish trans media, which is listened to more in the less right-wing parts of the united states than in finland

https://www.thestranger.com/queer/20...ressive-europe

"A New Era - Key Actors in Anti-Trans Conversion Therapy"<- link broken for me now apparently lol. but it's a very comprehensive report on attempts at trans conversion therapy in a modern context, including under the name 'exploration therapy' which is literally a term kaltiala used repeatedly to describe finland's approach to minors while serving as an expert witness in favor of floridas trans healthcare ban, and which she presented to healthcare professionals who meet with youth

"Trans Advocate’s Disco Sexology series", tells the story of several psychiatrists mentioned by the SPLC from a more historical perspective as trans medicine evolved. these psychiatrists are frequently cited in finnish trans research


https://www.splcenter.org/captain/
Very extensive reports on anti-trans pseudoscience. A Finnish study was the third most frequently cited in connection with the anti-trans legislative initiatives examined."

https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaki...ng-care-europe
“Claims that Norway, Sweden, Finland, and the UK have acted to restrict access to gender-affirming care are the latest misleading tactic in the fight against this necessary treatment.”

"Bathroom Law: Joel D. Doe et al. v. Boyertown Area School District et al. ( 2018 )"
"A group of students sued the Boyertown School District because the district allowed transgender students to use locker rooms and bathrooms consistent with their gender identity. The plaintiffs claimed this violated their privacy and religious beliefs. The court ruled in favor of the school district, stating that the policy was legal and supported non-discrimination."
"The document refers to Kaltiala's research, which states that transgender youth often suffer from psychiatric problems, the treatment of which should be prioritized. It has been interpreted here to mean [denying] recognition of gender identity in any form."
"Behind this document are several individuals with connections to [Riittakerttu] Kaltiala through the SEGM organization. For example, Andre Van Mol, who, according to these religious publications, also opposes abortion, stem cell research, and gender-neutral marriage."


the reality of finland

“In the study, more than half of the respondents reported hesitating to seek healthcare, and 72 percent had experienced some form of discrimination in healthcare during their lifetime. Situations emerged, among others, where healthcare staff misgender, treat clients rudely, hostilely, and inappropriately, and, due to a lack of information, leave gender minorities excluded from healthcare.
– The situation is bad and it feels like development is constantly going backwards, even though we are living in the 2000s. I thought that if even one person read my Master’s thesis and woke up to the issue, it would already be a victory, she states.” A Turun Sanomat news article from 2025 regarding a Master’s thesis on gender minorities' experiences in healthcare.

Official treatment recommendations are not named very clearly or in an easy-to-understand way, and even many specializing in trans issues did not know where to find them. One should have started by reading American anti-trans political documents, as so many of them are linked here; somehow, the bureaucratic documents of the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health (STM) have found their way all the way into Australian political debate regarding restrictions on trans care. No sources are found in the recommendations themselves, but the “Preparation Memo” and “Appendix 2” files contain the most questionable sources, such as [Sasha] Marchiano.
It is difficult to explain the arbitrariness of the treatment process on a general level; so many experiences have accumulated on the @transpolitiikka Instagram account that it is difficult to dismiss these as isolated cases. Studies conducted in other fields of science, listed below, also do not suggest that these are exceptional cases.

“'Describe to me how you masturbate?' – the position of trans youth in the healthcare system is bleak"

“‘We need to talk about the doctor’ – Trans people have been trying to talk about Kaltiala since at least 2019.”

collected information on how finland has been allowed to become a model country for the international anti-gender movement regarding transgender healthcare, if there is one article that most needs a dinnish counterpart due to its societal significance, it is the in-depth report by the Norwegian outlet Filter Nyheter: “Trans clinic director speaks at anti-LGBTQ hate group event — ‘no problem,’ says management.” It is an excellent report on SEGM, including expert opinions stating that it is not a scientific actor; unfortunately, it is behind a paywall. However, I obtained a copy of the story from the journalist who wrote it. Here is a machine translation into English; the original story is in Norwegian.
There is a much greater need for this in Finland, as our state authorities are involved in these activities many times over. [Here is] a short timeline of Kaltiala’s relationship with just one of SEGM’s anti-gender influencers, with source citations for everything.
But in Finland, media narratives and reality have become so detached from one another, the issue remains too marginalized and too risky, even though this is a matter where Finland wields unprecedented international influence. “Don’t Forget Your Homework” is a story by Evan Urquhart and my friend about Finnish gender identity clinics for minors.

the nordics are generally AWFUL places for trans people, and not "progressive" or anything, there is alot of fighting going on about making stuff better in these countries and i have been deeply involved in dismantling the oppressive systems and informing people about all this for years, and have most of the text already written down just needing to translate it to english, but i dont think it even matters to the gestapo of toilet, destroyer of science


Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Keep in mind, the Scandinavian countries are some of the most progressive aswell and they've used common sense.

the countries you mentioned are not scandinavian, you are talking of nordics and fennoscandinavia stop being an idiot when you are trying to sound smart please, also common sense nordics are notoriously awful and oppressive, not progressive at all. for transcare they are extremely awful and oppressive, and people move away from finland to get better care elsewhere, and finland as example has been ranked the most racist country in europe many times, dr kaltiala has been lecturer in "DO NOT HARM" conference, and if you have been exposed to anti-gender rhetoric at all, the event's name sounds like a clear dog whistle. the participant list confirmed suspicions that it is a gender-critical event. here are other speakers besides kaltiala:

stella o’Malley: founder and director of genspect, who has described her efforts to suppress teenagers gender identity in her therapeutic work, adding: 'I don't think you should feel empathy or sympathy for young trans girls.' she also participated in the bhutan conference.

rachel cashman: a campaigner against trans inclusion in schools and a supporter of women’s Declaration International (WDI). formerly known as the women’s human rights campaign, WDI has openly called for the 'elimination […] of the practice of transgenderism.'

az hakeem: a member of genspect and an active opponent of proposed conversion therapy bans. a former patient of hakeems filed a complaint with authorities against him regarding conversion therapy.

you can not be serious at this point

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Your argument is moot and cope. You are not under attack, the gestapo isnt going to break down your door and drag you away. You are fine.

no my arguments are educated and i'm actually involved in these things, and have gone through process of transitioning as child/teenager, so i just kinda know what i am talking about.
you on other hand are just a moron who fell for tiktok grifter talking points and fox news propaganda

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
Just know the children won't be subject to being guinea pigs for this experiment any longer.

if you genuinely are against science this hard i cant help you

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
But anyways, I would like to get back to the actual topic of this thread. Idk why you, maya, and other trans people need to make every single argument a trans debate.

you asked a question and i responded with trans-rights, and then u went on this gigantic parade where u go against all science and research. you've become gestapo of toilets, destroyer of science

Originally Posted by Lucci View Post
You dont see me as a black man making every single argument a race debate.

ok
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