Originally Posted by
Gubbin1
@Bold: "poor people got into some mess they should get themselves out"
Also, I didn't misunderstand. So the concept is that rich people pay a larger percent than poor people? You mean like the graduated tax brackets we have had since the founding of our country? You mean to tell me that people without the means to pay will have to pay less?
THIS MUST BE STOPPED
1)I didn’t say that. I said it is not the job of those who have money to get them out of their mess. That’s why we have charities and government efforts but by what standard is it acceptable to say that you need to pay for the poor. And if you don’t you get hauled off to jail. it’s a crime not to pay tax.
2)Rich people will have to pay a larger tax percentage than the rest of the country. Bye bye equality. People without the means to pay will not pay, just like they never did pay. The people with the means to pay will have to pay more to compensate. You are right, it should be stopped.
Originally Posted by
SLAPPED
You know I could argue with but what would be the point when you obviously have no intention of even considering that someone else might be correct?
I have a completely open mind. Discuss it civilly and with facts to support your arguments and I will consider them. If I truly feel I’m wrong I have no shame in admitting it. I hope I’m wrong. I don’t like the Idea of America being damaged by shameful policies any more than you. So by all means prove me wrong.
Originally Posted by
Pirate
First of all, just because he hasn't done 'anything' with nuclear weapons in the middle east doesn't mean he hasn't done anything with nuclear weapons.
1.For example, recently Obama was pursuing a treaty with Russia to reduce the amount of nuclear warheads down to 1,000 on both sides. Tell me how that is doing 'nothing.' The outcome of the proposal is irrelevant, it's not his fault if the other signer refuses to sign, and the fact that he proposed it in the first place means he is '2.doing' something about it.
Secondly, the acting general of US forces in Afghanistan/Iraq/whatever has done a lot to make their people not hate us. Bombing the living shit out of everything including citizens doesn't wor3.k. Point in case: Majority of the last 5 or 6 years. 4.You can't even fight guerrilla warfare effectively, having the citizens in the country die by the thousands (innocently) just gives more numbers to the insurgents.
You really don't know what you're talking about.
1. Contradictory to a previous post that said Obama would totally disarm
2.Wouldnt it be better to do something that worked?
3.You obviously know nothing about the war. The bombs are strategically placed to destroy military targets and minimalise civilian casualties.
4.You truly think that’s guerrilla warfare? Oh please. They are fighting in cities. Not the jungle for fuck sake.
I assure you, I have done my research.
Originally Posted by
Blam
1.If not many people need it, why would it cost a trillion dollar loss over 10 years?
If just the losses are a trillion dollars (so it would be costing more but money coming out of taxes lessens the load), 2.think of how much the people who would get the healthcare are having to pay.
3.How can they afford it?
Unless there's something I'm simply not getting here. (I'm just going on what you've said - I'm from England :P)
1.Because the people who couldn’t afford were being treated in public hospitals for free. Now the government is paying for it.
2.They are getting it. It’s not the standard of private healthcare but I assure you nobody is just going to be left for dead by any doctor who took his pledge seriously.
3. They don’t have to now nor did they ever have to pay.
Originally Posted by
Dalir
Uh, that link about how Obama alienated Israel?
1.It has 1000 ads for "Sarah Palin's NEW BOOK!" and anti-Obama propaganda ads. You expect anyone to take you seriously?
Their way of writing in the article is to make him seem like a weak jackass (using expressions like "he picked a fight" and that he is merely a "messenger".)
How much do you expect a new president to be able to do by himself? Greedy republicans like you are the exact reason he won't be able to improve your country one bit. I'd expect these kind of posts from a troll, but seeing as you're serious, arguing with you is pointless.
EDIT: Hey cool, did you play that "Defeat Obama and his Allies" game on Power Line yet?
EDIT2: Sorry oracle for the accidental edit on your post, didn't change anything.
1. All it shows is that the people who wrote the article are supporters of the republican party. The facts are still true and therefore it is relevant. So what if it is poorly written? It is still based on facts.
Please don’t make this personal dalir. I’m not looking to make any enemies but you are just looking for a fight with me. I am not getting into that.
Anybody who wants to discuss this civilly I’m open to hear you, but if you are looking to flame somebody then I have better things to do.