Originally Posted by
Squiziph
If someone justifies his/her own actions by their own morals and principles and kills a pup, and if someone else justifies his/her own a actions by their own morals and principles its somehow not the same to end a life?
Both would end lives, i don't deny that.
It all comes down to trust in
my own judgment. In my eyes, me killing them would be more of an execution than murder. I frankly doubt they thought of their pathetic act as execution. On the contrary, I'm pretty sure that their motivation was to destroy innocence -- which i find disturbing.
Now it's all a matter of opinion. Either you think my action are justified or not.
Please note that we kill people all the time. The government kills people and justifies it by citing the lines in the long list of laws, which in turn are based on average principles and morals of our society.
Expecting the thug to have exsactely thesame emotional,or rational capabillity as yourself. If that thug would experience thesame emotions you have with that pup, he wouldnt stomp it in the first place, because then he would throw-up and start crying or stuff like that. Maybe you dont understand what the pup represents to the thug and what the thug represents to yourself.
Not the necessarily the
same, but ones that are usually deemed as 'healthy'.
There are so many people who would walk by that puppy and smile, or want to pet it, or not pay attention. From different age groups and walks of life. Only a few broken sociopaths would try to stomp it to death, and i would gladly take on the role of a judge and crack their empty skulls on concrete.
I'm sorry if i trust my own reasoning and don't consider myself incabale of making such decisions
Would you kill a cat to avenge a mouse? would you try to save the mouse by slightly beating the cat? would you just try and save the mouse without harming the cat ( very difficult but possible :P )
My expectations for a cat's behavior are quite different from that for an adult homo sapiens. I'm sure you can imagine why....
I think its in our humanity to fear or be groced out by stuff we dont understand, stuff we dont have in ourselves, or we do, but dont want to see. Its easy to choose to kill, the thugs already proved it. Its harder to try and fix things instead of just destroying.
I would be the first to say "fix them" if there was a reliable method of making sociopaths into 'normal' citizens. But at this moment, there are none.
Just saying if you would stand in the line of sight of eachother while selfrighteously murdering eachother this planet would see bodies fall like a trail of dominos stacked in a line. Killing a killer doesnt make the killing go away, it just creates a new killer one who obviously thinks he's better, smarter and just superior to the one he just killed.
This is kind of stawman-ish as it doesn't take any circumstances into account
Let me ask: would you kill Hitler? I would.
Choosing "the lesser evil" can result in less evil in the world.
Also doesnt it give a twist like if you would see this perspective'?:
You are 40 years old and you have a son, he's 16 now and allways in trouble. You live together but you cant reach him, he's been depressed for 5 years 3 of them on medication with doesnt seem to make him happy either.
On one day he comes home and you see him crying for the first time in 8 years? you dont understand but you hope its a breaktrough, he tells you he was acting tough for his buddies, they drank some beers, they walked down an alley and this girl was walking with her pup, he suddenly felt all this rage come up and wanted to show the world his pain, before he knew it he stomped the pups head in, he scared himself shitless and got sick to his stomach, his friends looked at him with scared eyes, those were the eyes he wanted to see for a long time, just as scared as he felt himself for a long long time, he was no longer alone, but felt even worse now. He went home and broke down, understanding all along this anger had never been anger, but actually pain and grief.
You ( as his dad ) see all this happen, you watched him grow up, you tought him to do allmost everything, now you pick up a knife and stab him in the eyeball repeatedly because he deserves it. *or any of the other ways presented in this thread*
Wow, that seemed very....uhhh...heart-felt?
If there was no real means of repairing him, i would indeed think of him like a hazard and a broken cog. I can't say there wouldn't be heavy bias and pity from my side though, seeing how it's my son. I wouldn't kill him, BUT if i saw someone do it when he was stomping another puppy to death, i wouldn't stop them.
Last edited by Odlov; Nov 10, 2009 at 03:08 AM.