My thoughts exactly. There's no such thing as beating a sandbox game, which is what Toribash can be classed as. I mean sure, you can achieve an ungodly amount of Qi, TC and e-pen0r, but the game still persists. It's a bit like trying to win Survival mode in a game. It just keeps going until you either quit or die (in-game). Toribash just lacks that last part about (in-game) death ending the game. :U