Originally Posted by
Riddles
First of all, when using contracted wrists...Your opponent ALWAYS gets more points which is a disadvantage already.(Example 1, look at points).
Secondly, extended(ungrabbed) wrists makes it immpossible to suplex because your opponent is not able to extend his wrists NO MATTER what he does. It'll always work if you know what you're doing.(Example two, opponent extended wrists at 360 frame, didn't work, I of course did change several joints every frame.)
As shown in Example number two, in situation of 'falling' extended wrists ARE ALWAYS better because there is a longer distance between your elbows and couldn't say the same about the contracted ones. (Example number two)
Since your elbows are closer to the ground, it means it is WAY easier to dq you.
Let's move to the pressure part. As shown in Example number two opponent in a very hard position because of his elbows. Creating pressure requires some skills actually. The pressure wasn't very strong in this case, but was enough to put opponent in trouble. It is possible to save it in that sitution(I was too lazy to edit the replay and make it impossible to save) but you get my point.
In a few particular situations(Example number 1, last few frames(last spin)) it is very good that your wrists are OUTSIDE. As you can see, there is nothing your opponent can do to prevent dq and that is just because OF CONTRACTED WRISTS.
There are a few more advantages that I'm too lazy to tell about, but I hop that I proved my point.
No doubt, there are a lot of disadvantages of extended wrists as well...Both openers have their own pros and cons...And you just can't change that.
Doesn't matter which tactic you use, if you know how to play, you WILL ALWAYS find a way to beat your opponent. That's it.
This is what i was actually waiting for, but...
1) both replays are abd
At first example you had to use lots of space to stand correct and then spin, classic aikido doesn't have that much free space, but let's skip it.
2) both replays were with situation when opponent extend pecs, while this is not really rational at all ( never seen a throw with pecks extended )
3)
the exact situation what i was talking about is this:
same going to happen when you are attempting a side throw.
your arms are outside, his arms are safe inside,
while if both started without, there could be a standing on wrists duel on the edge of the ring.
in any other situation except this one it can be countered like any clap move, but if opponent get his arms like that, you will have a hard times trying to keep your elbows as you desired, while your wrists are useless, while your opponent will chill more or less.
and in this situation, if he will extend pecks, and doing the same thing like in your replay he will be safe, while his arms are "inside" yours. This is what i was talking about.
Last edited by snake; Feb 3, 2012 at 06:03 PM.