Originally Posted by RayA75 View Post
Not quite sure what you mean by brood maidens. As for the termination of that process, that deals with the legality of abortion. Entrusting the responsibility of terminating the process to the mothers in question I think is a serious liability that will more often than not, be exploited for convenience.

Well, I feel otherwise. I feel it's much more tragic when a woman can't complete her education and seek out a better father because she got knocked up by some guy she met in a bar. It may be foolish, but I don't think the punishment of incubating and birthing that accidental spawn is worth her crime. And what of the child, once it gets here? Oftentimes what awaits him is an over-crowded orphanage or an unprepared, unwilling teen mother. I think in asking whether abortion is ethical or not, we shouldn't focus just on the fetus.

Out of curiosity, what do you feel about morning-after pills?

No, it is not the same. Being against abortion does not mean that one wants more people in the world.

Yeah, that was a bit of a strawman on my part.
What I meant to say was that the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow.
Just because people are entitled to legal protection doesn't mean that fetal development should be legally protected, even though it is indeed essential for human life.

You feel fetuses are warranted legal "right to become" because they are the means by which people come to be. Why start at the fetus, though? The process starts earlier, with intercourse. You seem to be fine with contraception, though, which likewise precludes the development of a human, only earlier in the process. Why?

Life would be the objective goal for the fetus. No, a fetus does not have a subjective concern. It does not concern. But the ends which fetal development is a means to is life.

Ok, that I can agree with.

Wants are something we experience, like the want for convenience, the want for freedom, the want for happiness, and hell the want for grape juice, are not as important as objective natural ends, such as life, consciousness, person hood, and birth. I don't think it's a stretch to say that life is more important than freedom.

Life of our species is important, I think, but not the life of every potential person.
Last edited by Odlov; Mar 19, 2012 at 09:52 AM.