I have to say, hax, in wushu.tbm it is entirely possible to get dismemberments with just a fast aggressive comeback and a well placed hard joint, like an elbow. For that reason, I think that comparing wushu.tbm/wushufixed and brushu is difficult, because in brushu to frac or dm you have to create much more velocity on momentum once the aggressive comeback is made. I think that because of that, brushu/wushu3 don't force you to play nearly as defensively, as absorbing a hit is much more feasible. That is probably what made guys like odlov and kamiko into such GREAT players...they had to learn to defend or dodge, or what we might consider a weak hit in brushu could mean death. Also, having had this revelation, I will be training more in wushu.tbm now ;p as to what this means for the debate here...I would say that the oldschoolers were better in different ways. in causing precisely placed damage and defending, yes superior. As far as speed and fluidity, and therefore raw power, I am not so sure, I might give the edge to the best of the newschoolers. Been thinking about this a lot during my vacation. This analysis, though, does put the oldschooler on top. Blocking so efficiently and attacking, even if the attack is weaker than one's opponent, still means the oldschoolers would win in points.