Eh, this is gonna be 2 parallel discussions, tricky tricky.
If someone actually had proof, it would be very easy to expose and spread it.
People thinking they have proofs are everywhere, people encline to believe them aren't.
And really, some more evolved specie existing in the universe is more than likely. Just apply basic probability on the size of the universe (
have an idea,
and another one), the chances that we're alone are close to 0. Even more if we considere any possible form of life (ours being carbon based). Earth being visited or not is another matter, this would indeed need solid proofs, but I personnaly wouldn't be surprised.
To stay in the doubt attitude thingy, the most troubling videos I've came accross so far :
That certainly is some Unidentified Flying Object, that's no proof about ETs, but that still go over our understanding and actual knowledge.
I don't think that's true at all. If the average joe becomes educated, that is good for everyone. Exactly who is scared?
I think most people profit from the economy. Hell, my parents have a nice house and food on the table. Are they "the few"?
The average joe being educated is good for the future of everyone, it's sadening for the poor Joe, and it's annoying for governments and big lobbies, because critical thinking would make our beloved Joe less docile and more encline to protest/oppose profit generating decisions they (govt and lobbies) could pass if Joe was still a dumbfuck.
It's exactly what happened in the middle-east during those last years, young generations opened up and educated themselves with the internet and decided it was time to throw their "government" out. Previous generation had no clue about their conditions, like a fish in a bowl not being conscious that there's more than what it's actually being given.
Most of people people profit from the actual economy, that doesn't mean a larger amount of people could profit from a different one, more sane and less destructive for us and our environment. Like back to monarchy, kings have conquered and enrich their lands through wars; they built churchs, hospitals etc... the people profited of the monarchist system at that time, that didn't make it less of an awful system that had to be ended and replaced. This is the same with capitalism and consumerism, except it's on a larger scale and sets different problematics. We had our time with it, and now we need to change it because we know it's not compatible with our limited ressources and we can manage ourselves better with our actual technology. We're at the point it's slowing progress.
Nop they're not "the few" ;p Having food and a nice house make us average middle class I guess.
Even in USA the mean income is still way above mean rent+consumables.
Yep, at the cost of "third world countries" inhabitant's right to have a decent life (no war, no starvation, no ressources being looted by richer countries)
I don't think such system exists.
We're experiencing it just as we speak.
Last edited by deprav; Jun 14, 2013 at 03:08 PM.