Since the first thread finished on mindless assumptions and have been closed for no apparent reason but Arglax's arbitrary judgement without any possibilty to answer, I'll allow myself to open a new one.
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You smoke marijuana because you want to enjoy the results, i.e. a high. You don't need to drink alcohol with the intention of getting drunk. You can consume alcohol without getting incapacitated at all.
Assumptions, there are so many sort of weed and hash, different highs, different tastes, different quality etc... just like alcohol. Even tho I like to get high sometimes, I won't smoke shitty stuff just for the sake of being high (not anymore at least, personnal choice).
You make the other assumption than alcohol selling is righteous because people drink without the intenton of getting drunk but just for the sake of the taste of good alcohol. Then explain why the biggest part of alcohol sales are shitty disgusting "supermarket alcohol" and cocktails (ie. alcohol without alcohol taste most of the time).
Most people drink to get drunk, may it be slightly drunk or totally fucked up, making the assumption every alcohol consumer is a specialist is about as right as saying pot smokers don't like to get high (because yes, we do). When I want to drink something without being "incapacited" at all, I drink water or orange juice.
Deprav argued that marijuana is not addictive, which it clearly is. Your body does not become physically dependent like it does with nicotine or hard drugs. That doesn't mean it's not addictive. Marijuana causes a direct release of dopamine in the brain, basically instant pleasure for no effort. Stating that marijuana is not addictive in the strict sense is blatant ignorance.
Well, when we talk about drugs we talk about physical addictions. Psychological addiction is something possible for pretty much anything, and it's not the product that is at fault but the person's life or environment.
Some people are addicted to masturbation, some are addicted to eating their nails, some are addicted to sugar, some are addicted to sport etc... That's not a reason to make running, porn and sugar illegal.
As said previously, I'm a pot smoker since about 10 years, I can stop smoking for days, weeks or months without any difficulty. If I don't have any I won't shake and cry like a bitch, it's just how it is.
Toribush is trying to convince us that marijuana is the angel among drugs. It allegedly has no consequences for your body. This as opposed to Alcohol, which is the real killer.
The truth is that marijuana is no less dangerous than being drunk. The high negatively affects motoric capacities (i.e. driving). As Pig pointed out, because there are no statistics of people dying in car crashes after a weed-induced high doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just more difficult to detect than alcohol blood level. Besides, what about the retardation in learning capabilities? Did that slip past your "Cannabis doesn't hurt"-barrier?
If a drug without bad counter-part existed I think we'd all be using right now already.
He's not saying it's "the angel among drugs", he's poiting out that making it illegal based on its effect on health, compared to alcohol and cigarets statistics, is pretty fuckin hypocritical and moronic.
Driving under any drugs/meds is retarded, may it be legal medicines or illegal drugs, it's not about the substance itself but the general tendancy of people being iresponsible fucks. And it's not more difficult to detect marijuana, it's just exactly the same. Here in France, the police have little tests for cannabis, it's just a little stick they rub in your cheek (just like DNA tests), and if it takes x color, your positive to cannabis (or other narcotics) and immediatly sent to hospital for blood sample.
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Right then, for all you silly people wanting to argue for your need to get high.
You're being unreasonable and base your reason on having it legalized only because you want to get high. Much alike Arglax said, you can drink while avoid being intoxicated on alcohol.
We don't
need to get high, we
like to get high. Just like you like to taste your different kind of whisky.
I'm being reasonable and base my reason on having it legalized because of the large amount of people who like to use it, and as democratic countries, if a large part of the population wants to get high with something that is just as dangerous for their health (not less, not more) than tobacco and alcohol, they should be able to do so without fearing legal issues and mindless justice.
For the "drinking without being drunk" part, just look above.
It's pretty close to impossible to not get that high you're looking for, while smoking that plant of yours.
Untrue, as already said there are A LOT of kind & forms of marijuana, some are more or less powerful, and people's body get used to it, just like alcohol . Someone who never smoke might get high with 2 or 3 puffs, while an inveterate smoker might feel the effect after 1 or 2 joints of the same stuff. Hell I've seen people smoking joints like cigarets without looking even slightly stoned.
I'm not saying it's right, that's pretty fucking bad. But you base all your arguments on assumptions and clichés.
I'm all in for having all use of marijuana illegalized, even for medical use. Once the guy is off the cure, what do you think happens? He's already addicted and needs more.
What about morphin and opiates then ? should it be illegal for medical use as well ?
You're talking from your own little subjective knowledge of the matter, but go tell this to
people with sclerosis with a straight face.
And as said already, Marijuana itself is not an addictive substance, people getting really addicted probably have other problems to solve with their life. And might I remind you most "heavy meds" and meds for psychological disorders are probably more addictive and dangerous than pot.
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Personal stories don't really account for anything.
Lel, ye sure experience doesn't matter. Only google matters.
ALL DRUGS ARE BAD, but people will always use them. Forbidding a drug of which side effects are proven just as bad as alcohol and tobacco (legal drugs) for the sake of health issues is hypocritical and unfair to the millions of soft consumers that risk life changing juridical issues for bullshit reasons.
Most of your arguments are based on old conservative clichés stained with false religious principles, it disgusts me. You're either lying to yourself about most people's intention concerning legal drugs or have no clue about how shitty societies push people to try to escape by any mean they have left.
What makes me laugh tho, is that probably half (if not more) of the artists/writters/philosophers/thinkers you cherish, from your all pure and clear educated minds, were most of the time stoned, fucked up with absynthe or opiates, or desperate drunks.
Plus I don't see what you could possibly have to say about people's freedom to choose how they want to fuck their health up. If your concerns are about righteous tax paying people and health care, I suggest you save your strenght for weaponry and politic crooks.