Originally Posted by
Arglax
If anyone uses the argument from nature in this thread again, I will delete their post and flag them for a ban. The argument had been refuted dozens of time now: something isn't inherently good just because it 'comes from nature'.
People are entitled to their opinion. If that is one of their fundamental principles or ideas it's just as valid as arguing that no-one should cause another human harm. And just because there are one million ways to support it and because the general opinion is on your side your argument is not any more valid than that of the other side. I do not question peoples morals if I do not find that they tip-toe on their own, in one occasion saying that something is okay and the next going back on that claim.
If people believe that we should be free of all laws what so ever and it is up to every free man to act in accordance to his own will then that is an opinion he or she is entitled to have, and you saying that people are not allowed to argue such a point is quite dumb as even you have to accept that just like you being entitled an opinion, perhaps united with the rest of mankind you stand against one individual, he or she is still entitled to his or her beliefs, and he or she is still entitled to speak his or her mind on the subject.
And no, don't even try to argue that majority rule is a good thing.
I said don't try to argue that majority rule is a good thing; still don't get it?
Damn it, you still want to argue for majority rule?
Look at Germany 1930-sh; look at any society where a majority of a population disagrees with you; look at any western society where women are portrayed as objects.
The problem here is that people are entitled to their view. Did I just say problem? The problem is not their opinion, nor their belief. The problem is the conflict that arises from our disagreement; it's just as much your fault as theirs, and neither of you wishes to come to an agreement, right?
Now I'm not saying that I agree with anyone arguing for that stand (exemplified above) but anyhow they are still entitled to their opinion, and I may argue against it, but I cannot claim that they are having "the wrong beliefs", that they may not have any such "beliefs" nor that they are twisted. I may believe that they are twisted, and I am entitled to hold any opinions of my own, and I am in most cases free to speak my own opinion. However neither of us speaks for any universal truth, we merely speak for ourselves and our beliefs.
EDIT: And for all of you debaters in here; THIS IS A DISCUSSION FORUM, NOT A DEBATE FORUM: THERE IS NO JUDGE NOR ADJUDICATOR IN HERE!
Last edited by Smogard49; Nov 9, 2013 at 01:15 AM.