There are known poisons (HCN, for example) that are poisonous to all mammals.
That wasn't my point. If an element is poisonous it is for a reason (may it be surviving or protecting another organism) ; that's the point of Life and organisms adapting to survive, the principle of symbiosis. That's what nature is, if something is, it is for reason.
I don't know what this adds to the whole discussion.
Nothing in particular, just a off-topic moralist point.
my main point isn't the 'good or bad' point, my point is the negative effect on society. I want to live in a society where as many people are sober at one point as possible.
Well, I'm gonna start to digress on the "philosophical aspect" of marijuana in society if I continue, which wouldn't be necessarily a bad thing to discuss, but long and boring.
Except from driving under its influence, I don't see any negative effect it could possibly have on society. Issues related to traffic and violence would be reduced A LOT by legalizing it. It's bad for your lungs if you smoke it, but you can brew it or it eat, so it's not necessarily a threat for people's health. Abusing it is bad tho, like everything.
You want to live in a society where as many people are sober as possible, that's the society we've actually been trying to build for decades, and it's not working. We're destroying our environment, we're slaughtering marin wildlife, we're being a cancer for our eco-system, our own pollution gives us cancer, the way we live is non-sense, we're working like dogs, inequalities are still here and kicking etc... and tho we have the knowledge and ressources to make it different. You already have your world ruled by "rationnal sober people".
Weirdly, that's in counter-culture and "underground" culture circles - environments strongly associated with the use of marijuana and other drugs - that you find the more virulents critics of our actual society, where people are creative and thinking in a different manner. Maybe the humanbeing needs to let go its high self-esteem of (self-attributed) smartest-species-on-earth award and accept not being "sober and performant" 100% of the time as a necessary "evil".
The absurd quest of material wealth, perfection and greatness is what's gonna wash us away.
I'll even go ahead and say we're
not supposed to be sober 100% of the time. Like cats going rampage on catnip, like animals in the african savana getting drunk with rotten fruits whenever they can, like any living thing being able to get high with natural means. Different experiences give us different points of view and a certain necessary hindsight that you might not understand yet.
In many ancient (and less ancient) civilizations were rituals marking one's entry in adulthood, ritual involving "drugs" (plants) to spiritual ends. Maybe, and I say maybe, those were importants to grasp your own place on earth, to grasp what life is and why we have to fix boundaries to our impact on our surroundings.
Maybe the sobriety our modern world, stained by monotheist religions, claim as being right and good, is just plainly wrong.
Maybe refusing those plants "made" to interact with our brain is a sign that we're actually an autistic species trying to exclude itself from the eco-system that made us. [well actually it's more likely our brain that evolved in order to interact with those plants considering vegetal life was here before animal life]
anyway...
I saw your video, and all I can say: I regret watching it. Now I think I know why people think marijuana is good: botched and pseudo-intellectual videos that like to simplify what marijuana is and does. You ask for scientific proof and then post this?
I was being sarcastic when asking for serious scientific proofs. the classic "citation please" that makes the discussion forum generally boring.
So you truely think before youtube and stupid videos people couldn't try and get their own opinion on marijuana ? interesting
First of all, this guy intentionally leaves the negative effects out, or masks them as something good. For example: "these areas also have cannabinoid receptors: (list of functions)". Learning, movement, ... as if a high is going to have a positive effect on those functions.
He does pass over them pretty briefly but he doesn't "mask them as good", he only enumerates the parts of the brain with cannabinoid receptors. Probably due to its usual video format being short. It doesn't sound at all like there's a positive effect on those function, that's you being hostile to any "cannabis friendly opinion".
Last edited by deprav; Nov 9, 2013 at 07:13 PM.