ya.. well havnt read all of it tbh =P just wanted to promote random stuff .... and i realy liked to see tb more arcadelike , it still could keep its competitiveness ...and yea it would be a new game ...i was pissed with the pointssystem lately, but i took a closer look today yea its almostfine, more force = more points, but that wouldnt keep me from doing 80-100 k damage by just contracting adn extending wrists arround ukes head... seems odd. oh and whats wrong wit a healthbar ? noobs wont lose energy if you dont atack, the difference from belt to belt doesnt need to be that large that it would seem impossible to beat. and yea if i mentioned stages , that would go with a new game as well . well as i see it , there is low tf mods and high tf mods with or without grab this could be implemented in difficulty settings(the harder= more turnframes).... btw if grab was of a physicaly nature instead of glueing would be cool too.