Originally Posted by Chrawnus

Lets do some math shall we?

The body in toribash has 20 different joints that can have 4 different states. (relaxed, hold, contract/right rotating, extend/left rotating)

That means that in every mode there can be "only" 20^4 different openers if you only count the first turn. That's 160 000 different openers. If a second turn is needed the amount would be 160 000 * 160 000 = 256 000 000 00 different openers. Doesn't have anything to do with this discussion at all. I just thought it would be funny to count all the possible openers there is to any mode. So there is atleast 160 000- 256 000 000 00 different openers. Now what does this have to do with anything of this? Well, in fact it doesn't have anything to do with this discussion other than the fact that the game already holds all these openers, regardless of wether it calculates the opener based on your input or wether the information already is incorporated into the game. So that means that no one here has ever invented a move in toribash, because it already existed from the very beginning. You can be the first ever person to do it, but you can't claim you made the move. Hampa both made the move and has the copyright claim to it. So if you accuse someone of "stealing" "your move" remember that you're in fact using Hampa's move and not your own.