Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
Not important enough to talk about, but important enough to mention that no one talked about it? Ok.
The fact that he mentioned you ignored it means that it's important to the discussion.
Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
Ask them if they also know the '77c to the $' statistic. It's just propaganda dude, are you really using 'some girls in my class said' to overrule wiki?
It doesn't matter. My point still stands. The reality is there's an urgency for change that isn't present with mens rights.
Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
I'm sure you are aware that most people think domestic violence and rape against men is a joke at best, where as against women it is unacceptable.
Yes, and feminists use this as an example of a one of the cultural/moral stereotypes they're trying to break. It's not just a 3rd wave feminism thing either. 2nd wave was all about breaking stereotypes too - 'how women ought to be'.
Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
It's a major issue, but it's not a feminist issue, and it's not a gendered issue.
It's nothing if not a feminist issue. It's a part of the moral effort I talked about earlier that's been present in 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. Before that, in the 1880-90s, it was purely socio-political.
Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
Is violence against men more acceptable than violence against women? Is rape against men more acceptable than rape against women?
It's not a gendered issue, as you said earlier. Questions like that are misdirections. It's a cultural issue (feminism pushes for cultural change) that deals with cultural morals.
Originally Posted by
ImmortalPig
I am informed... That's quite a subtle ad hominem m8.
Sorry. Wasn't my intention.
Originally Posted by
Arglax
Pig is just saying that belonging to a minority does not necessarily mean you should receive priorities. He means that anyone in a difficult situation should receive extra help, regardless of race.
I know that. i'm arguing that the reason they're receiving extra help is because of an urgency that isn't present in others. Whether the justified is legitimate or not is another heavily disputed question.
Last edited by Ele; Jun 22, 2014 at 03:02 AM.