Toribash is all about getting good and having fun by winning. Not by using a really cheap move like shovelling or kicks and stuff. No matter who you are, getting shoveled pr lift kicked (more shoveling), your gonna get somewhat angry no matter what your opinio towards the matter is.

I think the main goal of toribash is to have the most skill which is why a lot of people dislike shoveling, lift kicking, headbutts. To become a better player, you must learn how to play with all different kinds of styles not just dm kicks or lifts in a mod like ABD. That is why a mod like rkmma would be a better all around mod. Everything you do in rkmma is much harder and takes more skill like pushing or dm's other than that lucky opener dm.

When you play a new player in rkmma, 9 times out of 10, you will win. Why, because it takes skill. Unlike ABD or aikido where you can lift or dm kick.

I agree with Klayster with how if you have to counter a shovel each time, there's really no point to playing in a duel, tourney, or betting lobby which is mainly abd becuase that would be no fun