well yeah, definitely because shovels are a bad position to get into because they could easily just put you out of the ring if you're close enough.
most obey members shovel if they get into the position, well that's what's happened to me when i've played them.
Or if they don't shovel they'll leg grab, leg grabs are so annoying to get out off, the easiest way to get out of one is bend your leg around get them into a bad position and they'll let go.
also when we're warring obey we should probably get more members, because they're completely destroying us.