except that you don't have control over everything in multiplayer and so the possibilities are significantly less than in singleplayer.

plus I could make the argument that the game doesn't reward you for doing three backflips in aikido, because it's not necessarily what the game wants you to do. in singleplayer it doesn't reward you for doing it either, but singleplayer has no reward whatsoever so it is difficult to assume what the "rules" are and safe to say that you can make your own rules (and therefore your own game).

of course, in multiplayer, doing stuff that looks nice means you have good knowledge of the tori, but it doesn't make you good at the game. I'm not treating the game like esports, I'm treating it like what it is. I could go play call of duty online and become the greatest and killing myself spectacularly with grenades (I would do amazing trickshots with grenades and kill myself in UNIMAGINABLE ways). It would require insane knowledge of the game, but it doesn't make me good at the game, it makes me good at killing myself with grenades in spectacular ways. I am free to do it, but I simply can't say mp takes more skill because it lets me do something that is insanely hard to do but that is completely pointless towards the objective goals of the game.

you can't say that mp requires skill because of stuff you can do. you can say mp requires skill for stuff that it actually requires you to do in order to succeed. in order to have success in multiplayer, by the game's standards, you are required to win, even if you disagree with said game's standards. we are discussing skill on Toribash, not on the imaginary goals and games people create in their minds. This is why I refuse to compare the skill level required in mp to the one required in sp, because it's completely different criteria and situational.



I can't say the same for singleplayer because the game presents you no goals whatsoever, so in order for me to even be able to do anything in singleplayer I need to create goals.