Originally Posted by sir

My argument is that forcing people to play new complicated mods they've never heard of in ranked fights would be horrible. First make a mod and get it popular, then suggest it being used in ranked rooms / matchmaking.
valetudo is a mod that isn't really played now but older aikido players heard of it (I'm pretty sure at least snake did). Anyway, the thing isn't that I suggested valetudo to be used instead of aikido but that the simplest way to fix shoveling issue is to make engagedistance higher. Yes the gameplay won't be the same but at least you won't have to explain a regular player all the settings with a wall of text / charts / images.
No issues with snake (even now when he doesn't bother to read my post and pretty much breaks discussion rules but whatever), it's apparently him who thinks me and hampa are the same person and thus behaves weird. He's got some good suggestions sometimes but he can't stand any criticism and that's usually the reason why he isn't taken seriously.
As for condemning most popular mods - I don't think I do that. Yes I think that erthtkv2 is bad and I proved why earlier, that's probably the only currently popular mod that I dislike and don't understand why it's even being suggested as a competitive substitution for taekkyon. Other mods are more or less fine from my opinion but it weirds me that the group of people "trying to make toribash competitive" take some of them out and suggest replacements that either make you cry because of how boring they are to play or suggest substitutions that have the same exact problems.
Also quick note: if a mod makes you play the only way modmaker wanted it to be played, it doesn't mean it's good.


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They're used widely (except for spiritwrestling) now, so what's the purpose of this thread then? If it was to prove that the current choice of mods is fine - why is this discussion a thing?