Still the US didn't cause the initial unrest in Middle-Eastern countries. And Nate you have some very good points. Are you 100% sure the US killed more civilians than Terrorists though? I thought they minimize collateral damage. And maybe more Middle-Eastern civilians but overall the Terrorists must've killed more civilians if you ignore race right? And if you could estimate how much civilians died in the Iraqi War it'd be very useful to me. And aren't some troops well payed though? SEALs get 12,000$ after the training. And let's say that the US is after Global Control by becoming rich and powerful, would that be so bad? The US seems to be a decent nation to have strong control globally no? A non-angry country seems pretty perfect to have Global Leverage in my opinion. And Divine just made an amazing point for all of you guys here :P And yes ISIS is angry at US Occupation which was the cause of them being founded but still don't you think that they're methods are way too much and just need the US to stay more and longer to stop them? And c'mon the U.S. Killed Osama. That's already an amazing Global Contribution that the U.S. Military achieved beyond U.S. Borders. And Nate I am very grateful for your politeness while discussing this topic with me This is how discussions should be like, valid points and politeness while pointing them out.