Originally Posted by Divine View Post
I posted my thoughts, deprav posted against my thoughts, I posted against deprav.

So you have no thoughts at all about Oracle's points? That's funny, 'cus Oracle's points all discredit your argument. In a discussion, one of the things you need to do is justify your argument.

Though, I think perhaps you haven't researched this topic much, which is why you're not willing to address his points - and that's fine.
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edit: Realised that may have seemed a bit blunt..

I'm coming at you because you said this;
Originally Posted by Divine View Post
Also these messes you claim are made are not made by America. Countries make a mess of themselves then America goes in to try and help but those countries then refuse any sort of help and just end up making a bigger mess of themselves.

My argument, and Oracle's argument, is that the messes were made by the West, since the West intervened in the development of the region (especially after WW1 and during the Cold War). If you're claiming that the messes were made by the Middle Eastern countries themselves, then I want to hear why you think that, and why you think the interventions we talked about don't matter.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 16, 2015 at 02:59 AM.