The "Links pls" was a joke, because that's your speciality to ask people for link for anything and everything.

Also, are you really taking exemple of conquests and conflicts which happened like a 500 to 1000 years ago to explain today's modern conflicts and fucked up geopolitical situation of those regions ? The most recent stuffs you mentionned are like 200 years old. Wow big surprise, some empires were at war with other empires, and some tribes were at war with other tribes. This happened all over the world, not only in middle-east/africa/south-asia, every single country has an history of war and conquest. But we ain't all in the middle-east's situation, are we ? Because we don't sit on a shitload of natural ressources.

I never said Africa was a peaceful utopia before western influence, I even mentionned ennemy tribes in one of my previous post. Ennemy tribes put together in on country with boundaries delimited by western countries who were sharing the lands without any consideration for the war history of those tribes and the future consequences.
And what do you want me to be more specific about ? You already have quite some modern and recent exemples of western countries occupying those regions in previous posts, or google, or books.

Yes I blame the recent western colonization. Because as the western countries industrialized themselves and broke out of their own circle of conflicts, they kept and keep sucking african and middle-east ressources, and built their economy and power on it.
Building infrastructure and helping them is like patting them on the shoulder with one hand while you're robbing and stabbing them with the other hand. Those countries could have developped on their own pretty well if we didn't steal all their ressources and kept them in misery in order to control them easily. So yes, western countries had and have a huge influence on the present situation, even more considering modern jihadists and insurgents were born as a response to western occupation.

"And yet you want to blame the relatively recent western colonization? Westerns "invading" to build infrastructure, educate the population, provide food, water, etc is not a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination, and neither does western trading with African nations that are doing "bad" things cause the blame to rest solely on the west."

The people who actually helped African/Middle-East countries the most are Non Governmental Organisations, people who actually feel bad for what western countries did to those regions.
Like Divine, do you really think western countries occupy those regions in order to bring help and then, eventually, trade their natural ressources fairly ? Sweet carebear world m8.

"It should be telling that the only African nations that have a real semblance of stability are ones that are western supported."

They ALL have or had western intervention/occupation/support. What do you mean by stable ? peace ? decent life standard ? democracy ? solid economy ?
If you could give a concrete exemple that'd be cool.

Do you know what you sound like ? You sound like self-righteous colonialists 150 years ago, thinking the people in that region are lesser humans incapable of peace and civilization, and the civilized people that we are must show them how to live properly like civilized people. I know (hope) that's not what you think, but you really need to look back at what you said.
Last edited by deprav; Sep 16, 2015 at 06:38 PM.