Originally Posted by cocacobra

Well there we go now we are back to what my post asked which was what kind of free will we are talking about and it seems now we are on the product of your environment kind of free will.

Product of your environment I view is a majority thing, and really depends on the person. First things first people are different and will react to the same things differently, and my main point is that there are many exceptions to the product of your environment. I personally know a few people who grew up in very very very shitty homes but now attend college and instead of letting their terrible upbringing consume them they just distanced themselves from it and used as an example of what not to do.

Originally Posted by Ele

Mhm. It's not just genetics upbringing that determines the decision making though, it's also their environment + experiences. Easy way to think of it is nature+nurture. Going back to Hitler, if you took his place, instead of actually being him, then history would've turned out differently. If you were Hitler, then it would remain the same.

Originally Posted by Ele

If you grew up as Hitler, the argument goes that you would make all the same decisions that he did. That there was never any other way for things to play out other than how they happened is what they mean by 'free will doesn't exist'.