Originally Posted by
mwah
yeah, I might agree with that if there was ever a report in-game or on the forums of a discussion where nigger was used in a 'peaceful' context such as this thread. generally nigger is used around here in the game or on the forum aside from this discussion thread in an offensive way. let's review Pimp's ban for saying nigger. he used it as a quote from a joke in poor taste. should he have been banned for 'racism' maybe not. should he have been infracted/banned for inappropriate language, yeah probably. but like I've said earlier every mod will interpret and moderate different situations in different ways. if you're calling for an across the board moderation for this fine bring that up, but if you are agreeing and saying that context is everything, you can't objectively look at context. it's always interpreted differently by different people. the same goes for moderators.
Personally I know pretty much nothing about Pimp's case so I cannot comment.
But this is precisely the point, if he made a joke in bad taste then the worst he should get, in my opinion, is a warning. It is not as if he was being objectively racist or aggressive in any way and it does not make him a bad person or a particularly bad user.
Of course moderators will view things in different ways but I think the fact that a person is a moderator means they must have some sort of ability of judgement and common sense, surely we can trust our own moderators to make reasonable calls on what is and isnt racist/unacceptable?
Originally Posted by mwah
but to say that the word nigger can be used in so many different ways publicly isn't all that true. the only situations I can think of is a thread like this, or a joke in poor taste. if you can name any other situations go ahead.
I dont recall saying many different ways, in any case there are ways in which it can be used.
-As a greeting
-Unaggressive jokes in poor taste
-Discussions
These are all of course off the top of my head, the fact is that since "nigger" is such a trigger, there are some staff that would instantly bad someone for saying the word in any public server even if the context was acceptable such as in one of the cases mentioned above. This is simply not right, if used with no intent of aggression then there is no reason for a ban to be placed - context is everything.
Originally Posted by mwah
but what I really think people are calling for is better reasoning behind bans that involve this word other than racism, across the board moderation for use of the word. because context has always been looked at with this word as well as the users background. for example not everyone will get banned off the bat for saying nigger depending on the person and the context. I'll agree on what ele said bout racism, the word isn't inherently racist depending on the context you use it in. but it's still a racial slur, and we don't support any kind of racial slur. same goes for most trigger words. even faggot. if I ever saw a report where someone calls a guy 'a fucking dumb faggot' I'd give him an infract or a ban depending on the person. replace faggot with any other trigger word like nigger and it goes the same way.
Looking at the name of the discussion - I disagree.
Also context has not always been used, there have been people banned for using the word harmlessly in friendly phrases - greetings etc. If the word is not inherently racist depending on the context it is used in, why should it be banned regardless of context? This is contradictory.
A racial slur it may be but all words can be used in the correct circumstance. The fact it is a racial slur is not irrelevant, but it is not the be all and end all of the discussion, it simply means it should be used more carefully than other words.
Also faggot is not treated in the same way as nigger, whereas there is an argument that it should be, it is singling out a minority group in the same way, and can be extremely offensive. Like nigger however its use is acceptable contextually, and should be treated as so.
Originally Posted by Wyverneon
But i have to agree with fee, it doesn't benefit you saying it anyway, why should you care if a word is forbidden?
In response to this, there are plenty of new players also that have been / will be banned for saying the word in an acceptable manner, without knowing that the word is causes such a huge kneejerk reaction by a lot of us here in the toribash staff. It will certainly benefit them to not have words blacklisted in this way so they can go about their peaceful torilives using their slang in an acceptable way.
Last edited by SmallBowl; Nov 27, 2015 at 08:27 PM.