Originally Posted by
Kyure
I'm still confused why faggot is not outright banned. It is never used in a casual way, and is meant as an insult in every context. Saying that it means "a bag of sticks" is just a stupid thing to say. Words that were designed to be hurtful towards a certain group of people are never socially acceptable, and should just be outright banned across the forums, in public IRC channels and in public rooms ingame.
no words are banned. like I said earlier everyone is free to say what they want, but you know, consequences. I've also never gotten a report from the word faggot, if I did the guy would have gotten a punishment depending on the context. which is what everyone is in an uproar about.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
Personally I know pretty much nothing about Pimp's case so I cannot comment.
But this is precisely the point, if he made a joke in bad taste then the worst he should get, in my opinion, is a warning. It is not as if he was being objectively racist or aggressive in any way and it does not make him a bad person or a particularly bad user.
that's why I said every moderator is different. everyone is going to interpret context differently and punish users on different levels of harshness because we don't have a flat objective punishment for that kind of stuff in comparison to things like scams.
Of course moderators will view things in different ways but I think the fact that a person is a moderator means they must have some sort of ability of judgement and common sense, surely we can trust our own moderators to make reasonable calls on what is and isnt racist/unacceptable?
okay, so from your point of view you can say "I don't think this guy should have been banned for saying nigger in this way", even though an smod bans him for saying it for a day, but neither of you would be wrong because you interpreted the context differently and came to a different judgement. so who are you to say that his call was unreasonable if that's the case? racial slurs aren't acceptable man. we've said this over and over if you want to make a joke using one do it with your buddies and not in a public area if you don't want to get in trouble what's wrong with that?
I dont recall saying many different ways, in any case there are ways in which it can be used.
-As a greeting
-Unaggressive jokes in poor taste
-Discussions
using nigger as a greeting? I'll say again, we aren't talking about the slang.
yeah doesn't matter if it isn't aggressive. it's just classified as inappropriate language, which warrants a 1 point infraction. how can you complain about a one point infraction for saying a nigger joke in a public server?
theses discussions are one in a million. and obviously no one in this thread has been infracted or warned for saying nigger because of the context of the discussion.
These are all of course off the top of my head, the fact is that since "nigger" is such a trigger, there are some staff that would instantly bad someone for saying the word in any public server even if the context was acceptable such as in one of the cases mentioned above. This is simply not right, if used with no intent of aggression then there is no reason for a ban to be placed - context is everything.
Looking at the name of the discussion - I disagree.
show me some cases where the context was acceptable and the user still got banned for using the word 'nigger'. don't show me any cases of the slang. it just doesn't happen. and if it does, the moderator can just argue that he interpreted it as inappropriate which it probably was. that's why I've said over and over that we either change the reasoning of punishment to inappropriate language, or handle these words the exact same way across the board. no one has weighed in on that, which should be the purpose of this discussion. to find a solution instead of continually arguing is this word always racist or "why can't I use this word to tell a joke whenever I want?"
Also context has not always been used, there have been people banned for using the word harmlessly in friendly phrases - greetings etc. If the word is not inherently racist depending on the context it is used in, why should it be banned regardless of context? This is contradictory.
no one is saying the word is inherently racist, I disputed that like a couple posts ago.
no one uses nigger as a greeting. again, we aren't talking about the slang. if you're using the word nigger, as a joke do it in a private server how is that not being accepted?
A racial slur it may be but all words can be used in the correct circumstance. The fact it is a racial slur is not irrelevant, but it is not the be all and end all of the discussion, it simply means it should be used more carefully than other words.
Also faggot is not treated in the same way as nigger, whereas there is an argument that it should be, it is singling out a minority group in the same way, and can be extremely offensive. Like nigger however its use is acceptable contextually, and should be treated as so.
we laid out the very few situations where saying nigger might warrant at the least a warning. the only time it should be the "correct circumstance" it's in a private server with people who know you're joking, know the context, or wont report you cause you're already buddies. saying it in a public server causes problems because if you're saying 'hey so-and-so you're a big nigger lol' and they know it's joke, the people around you might interpret that differently and it gets reported.
tl;dr fucking say if you'd rather have the reasoning changed from racism to inappropriate language depending on the context, or if you want across the board moderation on these types of words to be discussed. going back and forth about context is dumb, we already take into account context and I've already told everyone numerous times why people might still get infracted/banned regardless (because of the interpretation of the moderator involved).
and after that, we can make a public service announcement saying 'hey, don't use this word in public servers or you may be liable to punishment if you are reported. definition public servers include: blah, blah, blah.
Last edited by mWah; Nov 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM.