Originally Posted by
mwah
no words are banned. like I said earlier everyone is free to say what they want, but you know, consequences. I've also never gotten a report from the word faggot, if I did the guy would have gotten a punishment depending on the context. which is what everyone is in an uproar about.
No words are banned but you get banned for using a word?
(The word is indeed pretty much banned for use in public in toribash)
Originally Posted by mwah
that's why I said every moderator is different. everyone is going to interpret context differently and punish users on different levels of harshness because we don't have a flat objective punishment for that kind of stuff in comparison to things like scams.
Of course, but this would not be made worse in anyway if the word was allowed.
If anything this issue would be made lessened as there would be a lot less controversy surrounding every case involving it.
Originally Posted by mwah
okay, so from your point of view you can say "I don't think this guy should have been banned for saying nigger in this way", even though an smod bans him for saying it for a day, but neither of you would be wrong because you interpreted the context differently and came to a different judgement. so who are you to say that his call was unreasonable if that's the case? racial slurs aren't acceptable man. we've said this over and over if you want to make a joke using one do it with your buddies and not in a public area if you don't want to get in trouble what's wrong with that?
"Racial slurs arent acceptable" - I agree, using racial slurs in an aggressive way is of course terrible and should be punished harshly. This is a very different concept to blacklisting the word entirely, if it is not used in this way then whats the issue?
Also, if I thought his call was unacceptable, I can ask him why he made his discussion and have a chat about it, at the end of the day he has his own common sense and its his call - I trust the moderators here to not make ridiculous decisions regarding bans of this nature.
Originally Posted by mwah
using nigger as a greeting? I'll say again, we aren't talking about the slang.
yeah doesn't matter if it isn't aggressive. it's just classified as inappropriate language, which warrants a 1 point infraction. how can you complain about a one point infraction for saying a nigger joke in a public server?
theses discussions are one in a million. and obviously no one in this thread has been infracted or warned for saying nigger because of the context of the discussion.
If we arent also talking about the slang why is it treated the same way in bans? Check through Ban Appeals I'm sure there will be a thread with someone who used the slang, there always is.
Originally Posted by mwah
show me some cases where the context was acceptable and the user still got banned for using the word 'nigger'. don't show me any cases of the slang. it just doesn't happen. and if it does, the moderator can just argue that he interpreted it as inappropriate which it probably was. that's why I've said over and over that we either change the reasoning of punishment to inappropriate language, or handle these words the exact same way across the board. no one has weighed in on that, which should be the purpose of this discussion. to find a solution instead of continually arguing is this word always racist or "why can't I use this word to tell a joke whenever I want?"
Again, why not the slang? Its banned and treated much the same way. Ill try and find you a case and link it to you in PM, I imagine there will be one without the slang anyway.
Originally Posted by mwah
no one is saying the word is inherently racist, I disputed that like a couple posts ago.
Then what is your argument? If it isnt inherently racist why should it be blacklisted?
Youre simultaneously saying racial slurs arent ok and saying the word isnt inherently racist.
Originally Posted by mwah
no one uses nigger as a greeting. again, we aren't talking about the slang. if you're using the word nigger, as a joke do it in a private server how is that not being accepted?
Again the slang is also relevant because it is banned and treated much the same.
Originally Posted by mwah
we laid out the very few situations where saying nigger might warrant at the least a warning. the only time it should be the "correct circumstance" it's in a private server with people who know you're joking, know the context, or wont report you cause you're already buddies. saying it in a public server causes problems because if you're saying 'hey so-and-so you're a big nigger lol' and they know it's joke, the people around you might interpret that differently and it gets reported.
Saying it in this way is not the only way it can be said, in my opinion this particular example warrants a verbal warning imo. The reason it should be warned at all is that it could conceivably be interpreted in different ways although from the point of view of probably pretty much all moderators there was no malicious intent.
- There was no malicious intent, if someone is offended by this then they need to "grow thicker skin" its the internet, far worse things will come there way.
Originally Posted by mwah
tl;dr fucking say if you'd rather have the reasoning changed from racism to inappropriate language depending on the context, or if you want across the board moderation on these types of words to be discussed. going back and forth about context is dumb, we already take into account context and I've already told everyone numerous times why people might still get infracted/banned regardless (because of the interpretation of the moderator involved).
and after that, we can make a public service announcement saying 'hey, don't use this word in public servers or you may be liable to punishment if you are reported. definition public servers include: blah, blah, blah.
This thread is about discussing across the board moderation of these types of word. That's exactly what we are supposed to be, and what I am, discussing here.
We do not take into account context to the extent you should, you said yourself a non-aggressive case in a public room would be banned/infracted on the first instance of it happening.
(Our discussion is getting cluttered D: I'll try to clump together similar ideas in my next post)
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Originally Posted by
Simon
I honestly think that you should close this thread, its not good for the community to have a discussion like this.
Its pretty obvious that you should not use offensive language against others, it is in the rules, follow the rules.
I see no point in having a discussion going back and forth about different scenarios and degrees of what can happen surrounding the rule, let moderators worry about that.
This thread is about discussing the rules and whether they should be changed, simply saying its in the rules so it should be a rules doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me - the moderators are indeed worrying about the rule D:
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