Originally Posted by
Hattersin
I've heard them tales of people mysteriously disappearing under the Clinton family rule, but it remains to see if it's something to this effect Julian will reveal.
Would be quite the killer if he did, pun extremely intended for
please laugh
To actually make a post here though..
I think I've got quite a different view on Trump. After quite the research, listening to his audiobook (art of the deal) and a bunch of argumentative vids on him/other candidates
I find the guy to be a great marketeer/salesman, manipulative genius, at times both ice cold or charitable, but always extremely successful in his goals.
Seems to me like he's played a cunning game of manipulation while speaking facts wrapped up to sound offensive to misrepresent his importance as an opponent.
Lots of explanations have been written about Trumps hidden salesman tactics, adding one example of his ruthless manipulation of media below
I don't buy for a second that he's racist, malevolent, an idiot, or winning by dumb luck.
Meanwhile he's up vs the most corrupt candidate ever, but yay bought protesters, yay social justice, yay first woman pres, yay.. etc.
What's the biggest argument for not voting Trump?
Well, if we consider every assumption you've made about him to be true (playing the American people, still hiding his entire hand), then the biggest argument is that anyone who votes for him has no fucking clue what they're actually voting into office. They don't know what he believes in, what he actually stands for, or what he's going to do in office. They could be voting in a conservative, a theocrat, a liberal, the greatest ruler on earth, an absolute fucking madman, who fucking knows.
Rolling the dice like that when you're electing somebody to the most powerful position in the world is... well, stupid.
If you assume that what you say has a small egg of truth in it but overall we know what Trump looks like, then there are plenty of arguments against him.
He appears to be either incompetent, secretive or lazy, with secret plans to destroy ISIS and secret plans to enable jobs and secret plans to "Make America Great Again."
He's said he'd kill the families of terrorists. Newsflash: that's what terrorist organizations do. They target civilians. Donald fucking Trump wants the US to turn into a terrorist state in order to fight ISIS.
The other half of his rhetoric on foreign policy is isolationist, so I guess his actual plans for foreign policy are still 'secret' too.
He's said he'd basically default on US debt, which could crash the world economy harder than it did in 2008. "I'm the king of debt"
Trump is possibly the biggest threat to the 1st amendment that we currently have in our day and age. He's previously attempted to sue Bill Maher and the Onion for jokes they've made about him; He's said during his campaign that he'd open up the libel laws. (I've heard people compare him to Erdogan)
He looks like the typical fascist authoritarian in his speaking and rhetoric - many have noted that his speech at the RNC was more fitting for a dictator than a candidate for president. That's not an argument in and of itself, but it doesn't bode well for the way he may handle a country.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
Illegal immigrants are illegal, if you don't want to get rid of them then you are actively saying you don't care about the law. Like saying you don't want shop lifters to be prosecuted. If you don't want them to be deported then you need to CHANGE THE LAW, not just say "oh no don't deport them!"...
He didn't call immigrants killers and rapists, he was talking about literal killers and rapists, which again, EVERYONE SHOULD WANT TO GET RID OF.
Yeah, absolutely, deport illegal immigrants that commit crimes (which we already do), but deporting 11 million immigrants would be catastrophic for the US economy.
Hillary Clinton has said she'd write & support immigration reform with a clear path to citizenship - all Trump has said is that he'd build a wall and destroy our economy.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
Well, the FBI director already openly stated that she is guilty but won't be prosecuted, so there is no way there will ever be charges against her. Sorry, it's not going to happen!
If there's a different investigation over a different incident (which is what this would be were anything to come of it) then what he said about the server incident wouldn't be applicable.
Last edited by pouffy; Jul 25, 2016 at 07:45 PM.