Originally Posted by
wibblefox
And no it wouldn't, this argument that the US economy is propped up on ~3% of the population which consists of labourers below the minimum wage is just absurd! Does anyone really think this is true?
~3% of the population, but according to the population and labor force estimates of the article linked below, ~5% of the labor force (they have a far higher labor force participation rate than the average of the country, ~75% vs. ~63%). Even further, illegal/undocumented immigrants make up much higher percentages of the labor force the farther south you go. The article linked below states that they make up 10.2%, 9.4%, 8.9% of the labor force in Nevada, California, and Texas respectfully.
You think that, wage notwithstanding, the economies of those states wouldn't be hurt if 9% of their work force up and vanished?! What kind of madman are you!?!
Even further, they're seriously over represented in certain industries in those states, making them even more important to the function of the economy!!!
Yes, they do. Thanks for handing me a source you deem accurate.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
It's not doom and gloom and the crash of the economy if Americans replace aliens. And by the way, don't forget Clinton is saying she will raise minimum wage... How exactly can you claim that the USA is propped up by illegally underpaid immigrants whilst simultaneously claiming that raising minimum wage is good for the USA? Those are two contradictory ideas...
That's not what I'm saying at all, actually.
I'm saying illegal immigrants are grossly over represented in core industries in the US (agriculture, manufacturing), and cleaning those industries of all those workers will immediately harm the economy.
(Illegals are over represented in the first place because Americans don't actually want to work those jobs, so that could end up being quite the issue when looking at the recovery of those industries)
Raising the minimum wage is overdue.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
Immediately stopping immigration while a solution can be formulated is the rational thing to do.
Not making any serious waves until after we've already formulated a solution is the real rational thing to do, but w/e.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
A wishy washy idea of "immigration reform with a clear path to citizenship" (hint: there is already a way for immigrants to become citizens, it's clear already...) shows that she has no idea what she is going to do, and even if she does come up with an idea it is likely to take decades if it can even be implemented. Not to mention you still have the problem of millions of former illegals now being paid proper wages, so THE ECONOMY WILL CRASH!!!
As soon as you make give illegals citizenship, all economic benefits of illegals vanishes.
As soon as you give [the most proportionally productive demographic in the country] [the protection of labor laws], all economic benefits of illegals vanishes.
Do you see the problem with this statement?
Currently, the path to citizenship is ridiculous. People like to joke that, "By the time you're done with it, you know more about American history than most Americans."
Reforming the path to citizenship and immigration laws is long overdue.
Originally Posted by
wibblefox
I think you are missing the point. There is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that she was grossly negligent and committed purgatory at the very least. And yet she will not be prosecuted. If she is not going to be prosecuted despite evidence, why do you think more evidence of some other issue will change that?
And I think you're putting words in my mouth. I made no implications about whether she'd face criminal charges, just that what Comey said doesn't change anything we didn't already know: It's extremely unlikely that anything will stick to her in a federal court (the court of public opinion is a very different issue).