Lots of good response and discussion, happy to see.
Will try to adress some arguments that wasn't responded too, then summarize my thoughts on what this election comes down to
sorry for the wall of text, made mexico pay for it
hope there are no typos
here we g0
Rolling the dice like that when you're electing somebody to the most powerful position in the world is... well, stupid.
Don't forget to keep the context of this election in mind
It'd be really hard to argue you're better off choosing a known evil over an arguable good, that being Clinton over Trump
There's always looking at a persons history over the course of his life to judge his character, in this case I find Trump to win lots, lose little, like america, and screw over individual people at times
He appears to be either incompetent, secretive or lazy, with secret plans to destroy ISIS and secret plans to enable jobs and secret plans to "Make America Great Again."
I think it's pretty clear that he's either pandering to votes, or keeping things secret to later negotiate with it.
This is something he's told people before when pushed to reveal his strategies. It's something he writes about in his book, just like how he explains why he's being so adamant by proposing that Mexico will pay for the wall.
The reasoning is that now he's set the frame for the negotiation WAY ahead of time. Making them pay for it may be a huge claim out of nowhere, but once you've clearly set the frame, then bring in arguments and other negotiating tactics, it's very likely he's going to come out of that ordeal with amazing results.
Remember USA is one of the worlds great superpowers, and Trump is absolutely putting worry in other world leaders as is, right now.
I tried finding the link for when he said this, but it seems like the media never wrote about it, besides it was a very brief point he made.
responding again to another point in the same quote
He appears to be either incompetent, secretive or lazy, with secret plans to destroy ISIS and secret plans to enable jobs and secret plans to "Make America Great Again."
If I'm not mistaken he was clear on this being for families knowingly hosting terrorists, or knowingly turning the other cheek.
Personally this isn't a big decider for Trump to me, it's one of his lesser supposed appeals, and certainly opposable
Either way, it wouldn't be any less evil than the various drone strikes of innocents "for the greater good" that go unnoticed, and it'd absolutely (imo) curve terrorism.
The other half of his rhetoric on foreign policy is isolationist, so I guess his actual plans for foreign policy are still 'secret' too.
He's said he'd basically default on US debt, which could crash the world economy harder than it did in 2008. "I'm the king of debt"
I'm not sure what your reasoning is on these two, yet alone what you're referring to, but either way I agree with Milo Yiannopoulos on this one; it's a cultural election this time, not necessarily about individual best policies, since we're faced with massive cultural issues right now and most presidential promises never fall true anyway.
Trump is possibly the biggest threat to the 1st amendment that we currently have in our day and age. He's previously attempted to sue Bill Maher and the Onion for jokes they've made about him; He's said during his campaign that he'd open up the libel laws. (I've heard people compare him to Erdogan)
I think these are just him banging his chest in form of lawsuits, but who knows.
One thing is for sure, the media
knowingly lies to us on a daily basis, and better laws to prevent this wouldn't be a lot to ask for.
99% of journalism is an agenda driven joke right now.
I think this quote snippet is a good note for me personally to finish on.
Originally Posted by
pouffywall
Well, if we consider every assumption you've made about him to be true (playing the American people, still hiding his entire hand), then the biggest argument is that anyone who votes for him has no fucking clue what they're actually voting into office. They don't know what he believes in, what he actually stands for, or what he's going to do in office. They could be voting in a conservative, a theocrat, a liberal, the greatest ruler on earth, an absolute fucking madman, who fucking knows.
I agree 100%, this is how I see it:
Bernie is uncapable but extremely well willing, certainly the heart in the right place but he cites outdated statistics and couldn't get a hold of the public as a politician
Seems like he's also split his votes in half by siding with Clinton in the end
Clinton is corrupt, without a doubt. She'd be the first female pres and she's joining arms with Bernie for votes and has probably promised him some leverage in return, so I think you could see that as the progressive candidate as of now. Personally I'd consider it a fair decision to vote for Clinton solely as a lesser evil, if you're set on Trump being bad.
Trump is a manipulative genius, certainly capable to wrap his head around the job, citing up to date statistics and managing the public extremely well, but there's really no certain way of knowing what his true intentions are.
If anyone is interested I also put together a playlist of videos further digging into Trump as a master salesman
A lot of this is what Bernie was so bad at
Last edited by Hattersin; Jul 26, 2016 at 06:37 AM.