Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
Okay, Ele. I've tried to get you to clarify your position and you're still making it hard for me. You're playing around with words and terms that you don't even understand. The 3rd trimester begins in week 28. Consciousness, in its most basic form, is being aware and responsive to your surroundings. We know for a fact that babies can hear their mother's voice around week 16, that babies start moving around week 13, but the mother doesn't feel kicking until around week 16/17, etc. If that's not consciousness, then please define it for me because I'd really like to know.
http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v65...pr200950a.html
"However, these reactions are probably preprogrammed and have a subcortical nonconscious origin. Furthermore, the fetus is almost continuously asleep and unconscious partially due to endogenous sedation."
Yeah, not really conscious that early bruv.
Read further into the article and you'll find the consciousness pathways don't become connected until the 34th week - Well into the 3rd trimester as I said. Also, apparently pain doesn't register until the 29th-30th, so I lowballed it earlier.
So why can't we abort this non-feeling, non-conscious lobster thingos below the 13th week? We could certainly extend the deadline beyond the 13th week and still be A-OK.
Originally Posted by
Mallymkun
In a society, it is my belief, which is heavily backed by historical records, that a Christian moral code is vital to sustaining a moral society. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultery; these are all extremely important values. A humanist society wouldn't last very long, in my view.
You're hilarious (and obviously don't know shit about humanism and what it is). You don't have any deeply formed view on why a humanist society wouldn't last very long, you're just being reactive and contrary. You oughta stop that, it's ugly.
Last edited by Ele; Dec 4, 2016 at 06:32 PM.