Originally Posted by
MagnusSol
It'll be interesting to see a Trump supporter's point of view on this and I hope we have one.
Not a Trump supporter, but I do have some alternate views on this (i.e. being trans isn't all roses and sunshine, it's got a dark underside that nobody talks about in polite conversation to avoid seeming bigoted).
Originally Posted by
Bodhisattva
1. Was Trump right to impose the ban - Well he's the commander in chief, so he certainly in that regard has the authority. But no, I don't think he's right to do this ban. And it's not even fully practiced, we have people in the military of all branches say "I don't care what he said, I'm not imposing that."
Yeah, he didn't actually present any policy or run any procedures to make this happen. He just made a tweet -
So it's not actually a thing.
Originally Posted by
Bodhisattva
So if you're telling me the government is banning people for this problem and that problem when it comes to depression and other non-psychotic mental illnesses, I want to hear what are they doing about our current soldiers. Because they are turning the most healthiest of men and women into manic depressive suicidal patients anyways. Yes its a risk, but maybe this will help fund the mental health support they clearly need in the branches anyways.
40% of transgender people have tried killing themselves
before the age of 25. The perfectly normal men and women who haven't tried killing themselves before they enter the military
still end up suffering PTSD and committing acts of harm against themselves or others, so you can be sure that the trans who were/are suicidal would
not cope well.
I firmly believe it's not a good idea to let people who are/have been suicidal into the military. As Oracle said later on, they run psychological tests for deployment and I'm sure (in Aus they do at least), they run psychological tests making sure no suicidal people get into the military in the first place.
There doesn't need to be a 'transgender' ban and
there isn't.
Governments should (and most do) conduct psychological screening for initial entry and deployments and if any red flags pop up, the applicant should be denied. No need for a blanket ban against an identity group, just continue to ban the ones that were/are suicidal and who don't meet the psychological (or any other) requirements.
Last edited by Ele; Aug 16, 2017 at 04:38 AM.