Yes. I don't think any one here is trying to argue whether or not violence is ever necessary. That would be a discussion on its own.

The problem is antifas targeting, the irony in their actions and other such things.

I think something important that no one has brought up yet is that antifas methods aren't exactly even effective. I think it can be argued that by attacking people as opposed to reasoning with them you simply create more embittered relations and are likely to strengthen that persons views when you attack them. They will hate you more. If you think that they will change their beliefs due to a smack round the head I think you are an idiot.

I'd like to apologise for name calling and raging a bit on this topic earlier but its something that makes me very mad and I lose a bit of faith in humanity every time I see a white middle class university student hit a right wing activist with a bike lock in the name of equality and love for others. It just doesn't make sense.