Originally Posted by
Ele
I don't think you know very much about North Korea if you think that it's possible for the people to revolt (google their electricity situation and google their caste system) or for the regime to 'fix' itself and open itself up to the world. China was never able to block all outside information in the same way that NK does.
Bottom line is these people will continue to be held hostage if we do nothing - They've no access to information other than what someone might find on a USB that a tourist drops, and they've no means of forming a resistance due to the caste system and the other institutionalised ways of repressing 'subversive' action/thought.
Yes, there will be refugees. "Oh, these people we freed are free now", that's how it works. The global community can, like it did with the Syrian refugees, negotiate amongst themselves about who'll take how many. We have lots of global humanitarian mechanism in place to ease that process as well.
It's not like there'd be some power-vacuum that a new dictator would take advantage of either, you'd have a united Korean state. This United Korea would absolutely make it a priority that the NK refugees are helped and settled into their cities.
You and I both know damn well they don't stand a chance in a revolt. Un is the epitome of a machiavellion style leader. Any threat at all to his authority is met with punishments such as the three generation imprisonment or being executed by mortar. The man killed his uncle like that. I said the leadership has to consciously make a decision to open their borders. Same as China and imperial Japan. Un does not have to be leader for that. One angry bullet is all it takes, or some light convincing like sanctions that prevent any imports from entering the country.
I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of the refugee problem you're creating. First of all you've assumed that the north Korean people will accept the end of their God emporer and go quietly to unify with South Korea. They won't. There was a dude in the jungle that fought for 40 years after the surrender of Japan to allied forces in world War 2 because he didn't believe that Japan lost. You'd be naive to think that a group of people so brainwashed that they think their leader literally shits gold lost and that it is in their best interest to unify.
There would absolutely be a power vaccum and I can almost guarantee you that his chief General would take over in the case that Un was no longer in charge. Same as happened to most of the Arab springs countries and imperial Japan and sierra leone and an enormous number of other countries and civilizations throughout history. Shit even America, chief General George Washington was elected president after our departure from Britain. Chief Generals get shit done.
Like I said before a simple invasion won't lead to a liberation like you think it would. You would guarantee the destruction of Seoul and the deaths of countless millions. Tens of Thousands of missiles from the sixties explode cities just as well now as they did then. Sure Sk might knock down a couple of them but the shear number would simply be impossible to defend successfully against without significant loss of life.
I also don't know why you assumed a revolution was necessary.... in both China and Japan there was no revolution after the retirement of their leaders; there was simply a party reform.
Last edited by sirkill1; Sep 18, 2017 at 05:40 AM.