Originally Posted by
Mafia
As much as I hate participating in discussions like this because I know how pointless it is.
I still can't help but do it because I desperately want to see Toribash grow and stay alive for a long time.
And that thread title isn't clear.
"What Toribash needs to go from amateur to professional" would be better.
There's only 1 thing Toribash needs
I can't empathize enough how important this role is.
And I would never recommend you hire someone to work for free or cheap. Because your project manager will pretty much be the heart of the company, pushing motivation through everyone else and getting the best out of everyone. But even they need motivation themselves, and I can't think of anything else other than a good payment for this one role.
But the project manager needs to be Someone who "manages projects", Period. Not someone who manages projects and also codes.
the Dev's can't be project managers too. It's simply too much to see the bigger picture when you're working on small details.
until Toribash gets this role, Toribash will stay a hobby.
Completely agree, and also glad to see someone with a similar mindset because I hate to be the one who decides to make a discussion like this because it does seem pointless at this point but I just got to a point where I said fuck it, won't hurt to try. As for the project management thing I also agree, there needs to be more definition in all the roles as well, a PAID dev team, a marketing team, a site manager(who I'm assuming would be suo at this point), etc. all being organized, motivated, and given clear goals by the project manager. I feel as if there needs to be an outside investor to then play this role so hampa could act as more of dev team lead seeing as that seems to be his largest concern. Then we get to the issue of finances and how exactly we should get to this point and thinking of this pretty much gets me to the point of yeah this game is fucked. Figuring out how much it would cost to even hire people for a dev team member position alone and how long its going to take to even make that money back is worrisome because no outside investor is going to look at this game and offer any reasonable amount in hampas eye to help fund this because we've reached this point and it's scary, to be honest. From an investors perspective and just assuming figures I seriously can't imagine Nabi having an evaluation of more than $100k with IP and all things included, so if hampa is willing to open ~%10 of the company to investors then I couldn't imagine him getting more than $10k without fucking himself in the long run. With that being said, with $10k how do you go about getting to a point quickly and efficiently to make more money and get into a more professional structure? What new concepts are going to need to be incorporated to get players to spend more of their money with Nabi as compared to other users on the market? These are the kinds of questions I'd like to see as well as given responses on possible solutions.
As for the title, I feel like your title suggestion would give users the wrong idea, I'm just wanting personal opinions on what needs to happen as well as giving my own, had I just used that title and said what I said I wouldn't get the kind of back-and-forth suggestions I'm hoping to get and people would read the OP and been like "Ok this is what this guy thinks should happen, I guess I'll just say supported/don't support". I'd like more of an open community kind of thing going on considering we've all been here for a while and what we personally believe is wrong, I think our feedback as a whole should be useful.