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"stealing moves": A discussion.
Im sure we have all seen it typed, either in-game or on the forums. Personally I have been accused it before and I know it feels non too pleasant to be on the receiving end. Go lightly with you accusations of uncreativity and a lacking in dignity and integrity.
So how about it Toribash? Whats you opinion on "stealing moves"
Personally I don't buy it. You want to have a "sig move" awesome. But honestly I feel that since Toribash is so full of possibility's, because of the game engine and design, there is no real "inventing" going on here. Maybe you discover something, but who are you to say that someone else hasn't ever discovered that very same thing. Furthermore who are you accuse someone of something you yourself may have very well done?
However I also view TB like chess. Chess is a game that is full of openers and strategy's named for the people who "invented" them.
What do you think?
So how about it Toribash? Whats you opinion on "stealing moves"
Personally I don't buy it. You want to have a "sig move" awesome. But honestly I feel that since Toribash is so full of possibility's, because of the game engine and design, there is no real "inventing" going on here. Maybe you discover something, but who are you to say that someone else hasn't ever discovered that very same thing. Furthermore who are you accuse someone of something you yourself may have very well done?
However I also view TB like chess. Chess is a game that is full of openers and strategy's named for the people who "invented" them.
What do you think?
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I've got too many openers really, I even posted a couple on my clan's tutorial thread.
I do think that if someone's gonna copy a move they should at least try and adjust it to suit their own style though, thus making a new move all together.
I do think that if someone's gonna copy a move they should at least try and adjust it to suit their own style though, thus making a new move all together.
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Personally i don't mind it, but really, if you manage to make yourself a good opener,
it's going to score you a lot of wins because people haven't seen it before. Now,
this is going to sound pretty stupid, but me for example, i made a good kick for
Wushu, and it took a lot of people by surprise. Now i've seen that it's a bit more
common, and it doesn't have that "shock value" any more. But hey, i don't mind
it at all! People copying a move means that it's a good move, usually. Not saying
that what i made is good, of course, it was just an example.
TL;DR: If people don't want to make their own moves, and instead uses other
known moves, let them. It's not like the end of the world, and as Chozo said,
it can help people get better.
it's going to score you a lot of wins because people haven't seen it before. Now,
this is going to sound pretty stupid, but me for example, i made a good kick for
Wushu, and it took a lot of people by surprise. Now i've seen that it's a bit more
common, and it doesn't have that "shock value" any more. But hey, i don't mind
it at all! People copying a move means that it's a good move, usually. Not saying
that what i made is good, of course, it was just an example.
TL;DR: If people don't want to make their own moves, and instead uses other
known moves, let them. It's not like the end of the world, and as Chozo said,
it can help people get better.
Last edited by Shook; Oct 5, 2008 at 02:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by Chrawnus
Lets do some math shall we?
The body in toribash has 20 different joints that can have 4 different states. (relaxed, hold, contract/right rotating, extend/left rotating)
That means that in every mode there can be "only" 20^4 different openers if you only count the first turn. That's 160 000 different openers. If a second turn is needed the amount would be 160 000 * 160 000 = 256 000 000 00 different openers. Doesn't have anything to do with this discussion at all. I just thought it would be funny to count all the possible openers there is to any mode. So there is atleast 160 000- 256 000 000 00 different openers. Now what does this have to do with anything of this? Well, in fact it doesn't have anything to do with this discussion other than the fact that the game already holds all these openers, regardless of wether it calculates the opener based on your input or wether the information already is incorporated into the game. So that means that no one here has ever invented a move in toribash, because it already existed from the very beginning. You can be the first ever person to do it, but you can't claim you made the move. Hampa both made the move and has the copyright claim to it. So if you accuse someone of "stealing" "your move" remember that you're in fact using Hampa's move and not your own.
I want to meet a girl with a brain like that.
Seriously though, I was hoping someone would do something like that ^ I have never seen it broken down into numbers, and then the further refining of it. Its kind of neat to think that such a simple concept can have such complex results. score one for Nabi P
I too have never looked at the wiki for moves mister 616
I have however seen the movements of other players and mimicked them. Hell, when i was playing Betabox a lot I learned the one move that just about everyone did and used it over and over again. It wasn't until I started playing better players though that I realized that that move wouldn't cut it anymore, and it encouraged me to make up my own.
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