Toribash
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Do you believe in Fate or Free Will?
Someone asked me this today, and I've been pondering upon this. I eventually came up with my conclusion.

Please respect everyone and their beliefs.

I don’t necessarily believe in either Fate or Free Will. What I believe is probably something of a mix between the two. In my mind, I imagine there is a God and a heaven in which he lives in. I do consider myself a Christian, however, I see myself led astray by worldly things and ideals. According to the Bible, I'd surely be going to Hell if I stay the way I am. Nevertheless, it is still in my mind that God has a plan of what will happen overall with every person playing a role of some sort in the grand scheme of things. However, free will is still obviously something that every human being is capable of, but knowing this and believing that God has everything planned proves to be difficult for me. In our own human minds, it is assumed that we do make decisions every day and that we do in fact have free will, but we are only human. Perhaps there’s something else planned that is bigger than all of us; so inconceivable to our human intellect. So my final question is this: We are given free will, but is it really free will if the choices we make eventually lead to the same conclusion of humanity. If so, then what is this precious idea of free will?
Last edited by Ezio; Jan 9, 2014 at 07:19 PM.
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You seem intelligent enough, may I inquire as to why you have the deluded belief that there is a huge man in the sky watching over us every day of our lives?
This will sure as fuck become a religious debate pretty quickly, considering most of what you've said relates directly to your faith.
@Wicked - Knowing the content of what I've said, You can see that I've asked to respect each other. As to your first question, I was raised around Christians so I naturally followed. I've come to the point in my life (I'm 16, in case you're wondering) where I question things though. I do mention this. As to why I still believe what I do, I'm not all to sure. I just don't see any real hope in any other option. I've got to believe in something I guess.

@Kradel - I will wait. If anything too out of hand begins sparks up, I shall close the thread.
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Interesting point. One thing: I do not fear death. I'm just not ready for that day to come. However, I am afraid of dying and not being proud of what I've done on this Earth.
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Issac is taking this discussion where I was hoping it would go. I really like that thought..about free will being only but an illusion drawn by the mind.
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if there was a human being that knew the exact location and speed of every particle in the universe he would be able to know the future. although that's pretty determinist, I still think that we still feel satisfaction/disappointment/frustration/x emotion as a result of whatever decision we make, as if what I said in the beggining of the post wasn't true or we weren't aware of it. so while I do believe that determinism is a thing, I also believe that it's not that relevant because we don't take it into account most of the time and still feel responsible for ourselves and our decisions because we see it's consequences ourselves.
Last edited by pusga; Jan 9, 2014 at 09:19 PM.
oh yeah
Originally Posted by MintCat View Post
if your 'god' created life, then he's evidently evil.

until someone can prove that an almighty being did not create the universe, people can choose to believe whatever they want to believe. if you believe that a big explosion created the universe you can choose to believe that, because no one has proven or disproved that, just like no one has really proven or disproved god, because it is impossible to scientifically test if such a being is real and could have created life.

in terms of discussing free will and fate, i think we have free will. whether or not a big man in the sky created us, if we didn't have free will i would have to think that we have no control over our lives whatsoever, in which case someone is probably controlling me typing this message right now. i don't think things are fated to happen though. the only thing that goes through with the definition of fate is the fact that we are all mortal and will die some day. that is the only aspect of life that is really fate. other than that i don't see anything else that just happens without our control along the lines of our personal actions.

you can choose to believe whatever you want though, 'cause all we know about this stuff are theories
i believe in free will i can choose not to do something or to do something. say i go to the park and get shot my choice to go to the park but if i stayed home i wouldent get shot you get what im saying?
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