I think (/hope) most of us understand that not all muslims are the jihadi types that intend to harm Western civilisation. I don't think anyone truly believes that all the muslim refugees are hell bent on attacking the countries that take them. Some of them are though. That's the issue at hand. How do you deal with the jihadi types masquerading as refugees (short of stopping all muslims seeking asylum like Hyde suggested)?

Oh my goodness, what!?! I missed this earlier

Do you think answering violence with violence ever works? These people hate the western world probably because the only exposure they've had to it is western countries bombing their homes and killing their people. You cannot kill hatred with violence, coming then will make things so much worse.

Well this thread is exactly how "they" want you to react. People blaming Muslims, wanting migration to stop... "They" as in America.

You realise the cause of all this is America?

America created all the forms of terrorism by creating conflicts all over the world. World War 3 is not far away, and that is exactly what America wants.

And 120 dead is nothing. Just because they are white and from Europe does not make them gods. 21,000 people die every day from starvation which could easily be cured if America stopped causing wars all over the world.

Many people have been brainwashed here in believing Islam is bad.. when really it is your idol America and the west which is evil.

1. Migrants flee their country because those horrifying attacks happen daily there. They just want to fucking live, and far from that shit if possible. 150 is the average number of casualties there are in Syria, EVERYDAY.

2. Most of the terrorists perpetrating attacks in France already had the french nationality to begin with. Closing borders is just stupid and would just give the impression of safety, ideas travel past physical borders.

3. The reason of those attacks wasn't "Islam", religion is just used as a brainwashing pretext to enrole soldiers willing to sacrifice themselves... but don't fool yourself : those attacks are only the consequences of the Western imperialism and the wars they bringed to middle-east, wars for ressources in order to sustain an absurd system that we all know is bound to die. It's dying already, and us with it.

4. All muslims aren't extremists, all extremists aren't muslims. Hell, Islamists/extremists aren't even Muslim to begin with, all monotheist religions share the same core and rules, like not killing people for a starter.

5. Yes "we" are at war, we've been at war for decades. But yesterday that war nobody wants but the established powers, dragged itself here. And it's sad.
It certainly isn't my war.

In Syria, you have a legitimate government fighting the IS and the US-funded "moderate" groups (Yes, by legitimate I mean Assad). All these young Syrian men who were at the Eastern Railway Station in Hungary just a few months ago, shouting and protesting to be let go towards Germany, could go and fucking enlist/stay home and not dodge draft instead of shitting on my beloved streets.
In Iraq, there's a US-backed government (it's not even a Russian one like in Syria, so you can't even whine about their morals) more than willing to give these young men shelter, food and a steady job in fighting the fucking cancer that is the IS. Oh but no, running away is a better option.

So yeah, manpower shortage does prolong these wars.


That's a) Irrelevant b) A lie every shepherd/goat farmer tells the customs officer in hopes of asylum.


No wonder you'd say that, you Swedish people love you some refugees. While Abdul dicks up your mom, please remember this conversation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34822666

^You guys think it's related?

No, it was due to it going so fucking fast and hit the adjacent rail. I read about it earlier this afternoon. It was during a test.

@Ynvaser

"Perhaps these healthy, young men running away from their own wars is the main problem. It's called 'desertion', and it just helps prolong these conflicts."

You first have to be a soldier to desert the army, most of them are just regular people who'd like to live and even tho, a lot of them fought a civil war against the dictatorship in place in Syria ; they got brutally slaughtered... And even if they had won, the country would still die because it became dry as fuck (Syrian people are actually the first wave of climat refugees, what started their civil war was massive starvation because cultures had died a few years in a row because of climat changes).

Some people did stay and keep fighting : the Anti-Assad rebels, which are mostly radical islamists financed by Qatar, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and The international coalition (USA, Canada, EU etc...) because those radical islamists are also at war against ISIS.
So there you have it, healthy young syrian men staying, fighting their dictator's army and ISIS, and getting enroled in radical movements. How does that make the conflict any shorter or less complicated ? They'd be better off running far from that shiet the Occident started decades ago.


@Tank

"They're not coming to get away they're coming to start a new life. They aint gonna return when the problems are resolved, are they? no. We have to pay taxes etc just for them to live and in return they do NOTHING but consume space and goods and earnings from other people etc.

Isis is becoming a bigger threat everyday. WW3 WILL HAPPEN."


If your country were at war and you had to get away from it in order to survive and, at some point, the "problems get resolved"... would you not move back to your country to rebuild it and start something better instead of staying in a country full of racist fucks thinking you're probably a terrorist, or here to "profit from the taxes and waste space and goods", and don't want you here anyway ?

Those people are just human beings, they're not parasytes coming to drink your Mountain Dew.

WW3 will happen, but ISIS ain't shiet. Why do you think they use psychological warfare, terrorize people and lead those kind of attacks ? They're nothing, 2 billions $$ and 30.000 men is nothing against the international communities. People just freak the fuck out because the wars their leaders, and therefore their countries, have started -or got involved with- ended up on their front door rather than behind their TV screen.
Welcome to fracking reality. You don't want war ? Don't vote and give legitimacy to people who doesn't give a fuck about you and will keep the war going as long as there are natural ressources to "take".

@Hyde

"That's what you'd expect from an active warzone, I don't see why they have to flee to Germany or France."

Well, simply because they want to get away from the active warzone as fast & far as possible, and because EU is reputed to be an area with some rather humanist values and would most likely help them.

"Sure, you have some valid points here, but you can't disagree with the fact that more immigrants flooding into the west is a bad thing. You can't culturally assimilate people that hate you."

But here is the thing tho, those people do not inherently hate us, and even for those who do, "hate" becomes all relative when it becomes a question of life and death. And a vast majority of them actually have progressist ideas and don't want their country(ies) to be ruled by radical madfucks, most of them just want to be free and safe, like the vast majority of people.
But sure, if you're going to tell them to go fuck themselves and die in their country -which destruction was heavily influenced by our own countries' international policy- they'll probably won't hold much love for you.

Also, statistically, migrants are a good way to keep our aging population from being overwhelmed with elderly people.

And for ya all, a nice graphics explaining allies/ennemies in that region :

http://www.lemonde.fr/international/...2293_3210.html


(title : Syria, the ennemies of my ennemies.

Affrontements sur le terrain (red arrows) = field combats
Bombardement aérien = airstrikes
Etat(s) = State(s)

The rest is pretty easy to understand, words just look like english ones)

Edit : Ho and also, keep in mind that graph is probably incomplete and changing, and mostly shows "official positions". It doesn't take into account "who sells weapon to who" and all those stuff.

A good majority of the refugees are regular people who aren't in the army, like you and me - there's no 'desertion'. Why are you blaming regular people for trying to survive?

It's just very coincidental. I thought it was too before looking into it more. Don't worry your pretty little head about it. ISIS didn't touch that train.


Also, im not too positive about letting Refugees into our boarders here in the US. Like, I know they're looking for somewhere to live, and i respect that. But some of the people who attacked Paris were already civilians of Paris before the attack.