Originally Posted by Oracle
Look at statistics on mass shootings in the U.S. and you'll find that increased gun control would severely inhibit the average mass shooter. Since 1966, there have been 153 mass shootings (4 or more dead, excluding shooter). 292 guns have been used during those shootings. Over half of them, 167 of them, were purchased legally by the shooter (admittedly, this number is inflated quite a bit by the Vegas shooter, who had 24 guns all owned legally). Many of the guns that were illegally obtained were stolen from legal owners, or were illegal purchases that were allowed because of shoddy enforcement of existing gun control laws. There are also a few cases where the shooter was denied purchasing a gun, so they bought all the parts for a gun and assembled it themselves.
By reducing the availability of legally owned guns, you naturally reduce the number of guns that are available to perform a mass shooting.
Also, even if gun control fails to lower mass shooting rates, but lowers overall gun violence, that's still an effective law. Over 1,000 people have died in a mass shooting since 1966. 2,000 people have died from guns since the start of 2018, twice the death count over 3 months compared to over 50 years.
It's unfortunate, but the number of people dying every year to guns is substantially greater than any mass shooting, but it's only when a bunch of those deaths happen at once at the hands of one person do people really start paying attention in the general public.
Alright, so hypothetically, more effective and strict gun control laws are put into place. As we've seen in some parts of Europe, acid attacks have been increasing substantially and 2017 was the worst year yet, and at the current rate would only continue to rise. Also, if i'm not mistaken they have stricter gun control laws than the United States. What would be stopping a perpetrator from making something along the lines of a mustard gas attack or a propane bomb which would be easier to obtain than a gun at the time, and has the possibility to kill even more than a trained shooter if it bypasses security? Building a bomb or chemical weapon doesn't take much effort into researching or is too difficult to make realistically. Investigators that found the undetonated bomb say that it had the potential to kill hundreds more. So if stricter laws were put into place, what would stop people from using other means to harm?
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Originally Posted by Moonshake
gun ownership ensures that:
- citizens are able to defend themselves at every instance ("when seconds count, police are minutes away")
- citizens are as theoretically as powerful as the government
not hard to understand
Every other place in the world does now have mass shootings like we do. Yes, guns protect people, but there's something wrong. If you can think of another solution (one not already presented) to keep kids from getting shot up in their school i would love to hear it.
Sure we are as powerful as the government, but as I stated before, America loves it's guns too much to really do anything about it. Guns over Human Lives.
Last edited by WeooWeoo; Feb 22, 2018 at 10:00 PM.
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to inform all of you, just this morning there was another school shooting in santa fe high school in texas. it is the second most fatal school shooting this year with 8 students dead from what i've gathered.
i think america should start small with the gun control and see where it goes. start off with military grade weapons, such as the AR-15.
i'm just really tired of seeing these school shootings happen, it breaks my fucking heart tbh.
i think america should start small with the gun control and see where it goes. start off with military grade weapons, such as the AR-15.
i'm just really tired of seeing these school shootings happen, it breaks my fucking heart tbh.
I feel like if they gave classes and weapons to certain teachers, this issue would be addressed better than taking legal guns off the street. What of the many guns out of regulation, without serial numbers, sold on the black market? When they make it to the street, the same people that have them now will continue to have them, except the ones that legally are allowed to own them.
While guns cause problems, the problems they cause can be fixed with them. Police show up to 5% of crime scenes within time to do something, and even then its usually de-escalading a situation that's already out of hand enough that something happens anyway. Seeing that we have the problem we do, it is best to stay armed. If teachers had guns, or even if the security force had weapons, I garuntee we wouldnt hear about near as many school shootings.
While guns cause problems, the problems they cause can be fixed with them. Police show up to 5% of crime scenes within time to do something, and even then its usually de-escalading a situation that's already out of hand enough that something happens anyway. Seeing that we have the problem we do, it is best to stay armed. If teachers had guns, or even if the security force had weapons, I garuntee we wouldnt hear about near as many school shootings.
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Originally Posted by Granby
I feel like if they gave classes and weapons to certain teachers, this issue would be addressed better than taking legal guns off the street. What of the many guns out of regulation, without serial numbers, sold on the black market? When they make it to the street, the same people that have them now will continue to have them, except the ones that legally are allowed to own them.
While guns cause problems, the problems they cause can be fixed with them. Police show up to 5% of crime scenes within time to do something, and even then its usually de-escalading a situation that's already out of hand enough that something happens anyway. Seeing that we have the problem we do, it is best to stay armed. If teachers had guns, or even if the security force had weapons, I garuntee we wouldnt hear about near as many school shootings.
The attitude of "there is a gun problem lets give people guns" compounds the problem it doesnt help it.
If a kid comes into school with a stick and starts hitting other kids with it you confiscate the stick, you dont give the "responsible" kids sticks as well so that they can beat the shit out of any other kids who picked up a stick - its ludicrous and obviously not the solution. Also in any group of people, kids, teachers, policemen, anyone; there will be some unstable people who when they get their hands on a gun in a position of responsibility they will use it wrong, pretty easy to see how this could be the case with teachers, especially since they have an incredibly stressful job and have to deal with some really annoying kids all day.
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