The account heybans was on our roster so mcfarbos 2nd option is a bit harsh


Felnins Clan was disqualified with 0 games so I think the solution is pretty obvious.

what do you mean disqualified with 0 games, they beat [Hack], but they werent able to play us ([a]dventure) because some of their members got banned or something in group stages

this

tgs fortified though

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you fellows don't seem to understand

TGS forfeited to undead in the losers bracket, not the normal bracket. And that was before any information of obey being DQed came out.

Dead game.

It sounds very anti climactic to decide the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners because one player was on the roster of two different clans.

It is my understanding that Obey is going to argue against the solution proposed by Reta in hopes of continuing the Clan League as normal. If staff rule against Obey, then Team Girl Scouts would like to continue our match with Obey in hopes of moving forward to the finals.

Our sights are set only on 1st place. If we have the chance to seize it then we will do so. We are not interested in settling for 2nd or 3rd, especially as a result of Obey's mistake as proposed by other users.

Reta I know you're not one to be daft

STAFF makes a mistake twice

Only Felnins wins are to be re-evaluated

We have 48 hours to clear up your mistake because I'm assuming you guys know Clan League has gone on long enough and don't want to delay any further. But it's gone on this long because of another mistake your team made in the group stages. Furthermore it took us the whole week to finish matches with TGS because of our schedules and etc and now we are only given 48 hours to "fix" your mistakes.

Shouldn't you punish your team of volunteers for messing up on multiple times? Why are we being punished?

You haven't made the outcome fair for both parties, you've made it easier for your team to glue your broken event back together. For fucks sake, people who make mistakes face consequences. People who do not make mistakes do not face consequences. It's Elementary.

Fix your own shit
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Also, this is so fucking dumb, I just had to quote it.

Scarce evidence means that there is almost no evidence at all. The evidence is what is needed to make a justified and fair ruling. Therefore if there is no concrete evidence there cannot be a ruling.

DQing matches means that they were disqualified

qual·i·fied
ˈkwäləˌfīd/Submit
adjective
1.
officially recognized as being trained to perform a particular job; certified.

So if a match has been DQed then it is not officially recognized. So it doesn't count.


Being sure that if the rule break was discovered after cl it would be treated the same doesn't mean that is what would happen.

"saying that its too late to make this type of ruling is like saying its too late to arrest a robber who was caught from video evidence after the fact".

^ This stands alone. But I will say that there is a statue of limitations for most crimes.

Also, why are we not allowed to take a risk?

Going to basically only respond to Micah here and wait for a staff post, both because it's the only sort of response that exists and also because it's one of the good examples I can paste here that misses the point of the entire post.
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Scarce evidence not being nonexistent is true, you have indeed grasped the definition. However, it isn't hard to see what I mean by that. Desolate received 0 points, and I found (as I said in my post) 2 posts, both incomplete regarding matches played. This creates a situation where the validity of the matches can be further taken into question, thus solidifying the point I was making. I won't explain any further I'm sure you get the idea now.

In regards to your second and third point, it is one of the examples where you miss the point.

I am not failing to acknowledge he played matches, as I mention it in my post. The matches were not counted, and so they have no effect on Clan League whatsoever. And because they have no effect on Clan League whatsoever I explain I find it odd that they are deciding to make a ruling that has a far bigger effect on the outcome of Clan League.

Which then segues into my next point, which you commented on in regards to the timing. First off, if you're insinuating that they would, after Clan League has been completed and the winner decided, then reset back to semi-finals to complete a few matches then re-do the entirety of finals because they found this kind of situation to be occurring, well, I'd have to say you might be wrong lol.

And if you wouldn't be wrong I'd have serious doubts whoever hosted that particular event would ever host such an event ever again. But anyways!

My point regarding it's too late has to do with "staff negligence" in several respects. Most notably on how they told us it was fine for Felnin to play for us, and then at the last possible second revoke that decision and make a rather large game changing ruling that could completely change the placements on the podium. Keep in mind, staff said it was completely fine for us to have Felnin play, so what is there to talk about?

Are you saying that if you asked staff about a rule you thought you might break by performing an action, they specifically say it's not against the rules, you perform said action, then a couple months later you log-on to notice you're banned, that it would be perfectly fine?

And then again in regards to your last point, saying we should have just ignored staffs previous ruling and just not had him play doesn't make any sense. So saying it's a fault on both parts is just plain incorrect and has no basis in fact.

I've noticed a few people make that last argument and mention we outta be DQ'd. Which again, why would Obey be DQ'd, for listening to staff on a ruling? It's almost like that is absolutely absurd and again, makes no sense.

I'd recommend not posting on this thread if you're unaware of the situation or unwilling to look into it enough to make a coherent post regarding it.

I'm just waiting for a staff response at this point.