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The Paranormal
I don't know if this was discussed before, and if it was, I do not feel like gravedigging the thread, lol.
Now, some of you may believe in demons/ghosts, and others may not. But this thread is ment for both, non believes and believers to discuss, NOT ARGUE, about the Paranormal and why they think what they think.
I, myself, believe in ghosts and demons. I always love going into haunted places with my friends and see paranormal shit go down, but I will assure you one thing, MY ASS WILL NOT GO IN THE BUILDING UNLESS I AM WITH SOMEONE. I AM A LITTLE BITCH TOWARD THAT SHIT WHEN I AM RIDING SOLO!!! LOL
Now, I have witnessed and experienced both Demonic and spiritual shit in my life, and that's why I am a believer. I would go in detail about all the times I have witnessed/experienced it, but I would spend a whole 3 hours writing up real life stories that no one would care to read probably, lol.
So, discuss about what you think of the Paranormal.. If ghosts are real, why are they ghosts, and not gone for good? Are they stuck in ghost form to seek what they have left out in life? Or are they stuck because they do not really know that they are dead? There's alot of questions, and alot of theory's to why ghosts do exist, and alot of others that try to ignore the subject. As for demons, they do exist. I will be more then glad to state tons of facts on how demons exist. I seen possessions, I seen exorcists, I seen it all in my life (I used to be a satanist).... Anyway, discuss.
Now, some of you may believe in demons/ghosts, and others may not. But this thread is ment for both, non believes and believers to discuss, NOT ARGUE, about the Paranormal and why they think what they think.
I, myself, believe in ghosts and demons. I always love going into haunted places with my friends and see paranormal shit go down, but I will assure you one thing, MY ASS WILL NOT GO IN THE BUILDING UNLESS I AM WITH SOMEONE. I AM A LITTLE BITCH TOWARD THAT SHIT WHEN I AM RIDING SOLO!!! LOL
Now, I have witnessed and experienced both Demonic and spiritual shit in my life, and that's why I am a believer. I would go in detail about all the times I have witnessed/experienced it, but I would spend a whole 3 hours writing up real life stories that no one would care to read probably, lol.
So, discuss about what you think of the Paranormal.. If ghosts are real, why are they ghosts, and not gone for good? Are they stuck in ghost form to seek what they have left out in life? Or are they stuck because they do not really know that they are dead? There's alot of questions, and alot of theory's to why ghosts do exist, and alot of others that try to ignore the subject. As for demons, they do exist. I will be more then glad to state tons of facts on how demons exist. I seen possessions, I seen exorcists, I seen it all in my life (I used to be a satanist).... Anyway, discuss.
What's the use to submitting proof when non-believers will do their best to their ability to try and state how it's not paranormal... There's ALOT of proof and evidences abbout the true paranormal, and not even the greatest of the great can crack it as being photoshop, dust, or anything of that nature, it's just flat out paranormal, meaning, unreal. Something that isn't keen to the human eye, or made through photographic/video edition.
And, 16 people having a mental problem
I think not. I was outside with 15 of my friends, chilling and talking and eating BBQ and the lights in the house by us went nuts, flashing on and off. We walked in, and the whole house power went off. Grabbed a flashlight, and we all walked around to the breaker, and the breakers were on. So, we walked outside to call the electric company and then the house power came on, stereo was turned up all the way, and then heard stomping going through the house and the door slamming shut..
Yea, you tell me that is human, or can be proven with wind(when there was no wind at all, not enough to slam a front door shut), or electrical shorts, or a person running through the house and turning on the stereo and shit when we searched the whole house after that, and had people walking around outside looking for someone.
And, 16 people having a mental problem
I think not. I was outside with 15 of my friends, chilling and talking and eating BBQ and the lights in the house by us went nuts, flashing on and off. We walked in, and the whole house power went off. Grabbed a flashlight, and we all walked around to the breaker, and the breakers were on. So, we walked outside to call the electric company and then the house power came on, stereo was turned up all the way, and then heard stomping going through the house and the door slamming shut..Yea, you tell me that is human, or can be proven with wind(when there was no wind at all, not enough to slam a front door shut), or electrical shorts, or a person running through the house and turning on the stereo and shit when we searched the whole house after that, and had people walking around outside looking for someone.
Last edited by Noobie; Mar 30, 2014 at 04:01 AM.
Originally Posted by Oracle
... that's the bloody point of a dissenting opinion. You seem to fail to grasp the point of a debate. Second, it's not evidence because it doesn't prove anything. Paranormal hunters are the worst perpetrators of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy on the planet. They literally take any anomaly from a perceived normal and then claim it's proof. They never can predict what anomaly they will see, they just claim virtually anything is evidence, then marvel at how anything occurring is proof.
Two, can you prove it wasn't anything other than something paranormal? This is again a fallacy being committed. Just because you don't know why something happened is not a reason to believe it was something paranormal. This is the reason why nobody took the Ancient Aliens guy seriously. The logic was literally "I don't know, therefore aliens". Now replace aliens with ghosts/demons/molemen or whatever the fuck you want and it's still the same fallacy. You are ascribing an event to a cause without any evidence to even show a correlation, let alone causation. You're assuming something exists to explain a situation you don't understand. That's awfully convenient that you wouldn't know why it was happening unless it was aliens/ghosts/demons/goatsharks, in which case it makes PERFECT sense. Sound a little bit like wishful thinking?
I spent 3 weeks shutting up people who was non-believes on busting my photo of a demonic orb that was in my house taken in the pitch dark with flash. It was a perfectly circled orb, and I did a 4 snap, every second it took a pic for 4 times, and it stayed in one spot. They said it was photo shop, even though on the first photo, it was on the right top corner, 2nd snap, it was in the middle, 3rd snap it was on the right side and 4th snap, it was gone. So, when they claimed it as being photoshop, I showed them the pics straight off the camera, and then showed a picture of what dust would look like, and what a glare would look like. Now, if I can find the photo, I will happily show you what was a real demonic orb caught on photograph.
Originally Posted by Oracle
What makes it demonic? Did it do anything other than be there? Why would it have to be a demonic orb? This even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it actually even existed.
The more important questions. Awfully convenient you would have a camera on you during this time, isn't it? Why wouldn't you turn the lights on? Why is this orb still not there?
And the most important question. Why the fuck should I be taking your word that it was real in the first place? A couple photos mean nothing, just like how videos of Bigfoot mean nothing. There's no way to affirm their validity.
People are stupid if they honestly started believing from 4 pictures.
Why did I take the photos, and why did I turn off the lights? Well, I always done shit that made no sense, and my dog would never go into the room so one night I just went back there with my camera, and put it on the dresser with a 10 sec timer and a 4 sequence flash shots, and that's when ti showed up I did it the next night, nothing showed but dust particles, and 3rd night, nothing. Isn't it odd, your dog is barking, and whining, but will not go in the room, take a pic and you have a orange orb with a little red dot in it, and it's perfectly round, tuned in with the photo, therefor not photoshop. You can clearly see it off the camera aswell.
Originally Posted by Oracle
You ignored the most important question.
Photos. Mean. Nothing. There is no way to validate them. I don't even need to prove photoshopping because regardless, it still does not prove that it was a demonic orb. The mere fact that your camera had a picture of something does not prove existence of anything, even of whatever is in the picture. It's not measurable, it's not observable, it's a picture, and nothing more.
So you are saying a camera can take false objects and put it on photos and make them move around?
