If you're actually a programmer I'm curious as to how you approach your own work because your logic is very flawed.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
Last edited by Smaguris; Dec 11, 2018 at 08:49 PM.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
If you're actually a programmer I'm curious as to how you approach your own work because your logic is very flawed.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
my logic for that situation is based on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
as for the second part, that was only an example, i created this thread for the general threat, not that single situation.
The problem will be mostly ironed out before mass production and commercial use. The off chance that this indeed happens would be a pretty rare occurrence.
Or there would be work arounds for that specific model that fetches coffee. I'd imagine it would be like one of those small discs that pick up dust and cats ride around, but this instead fetches water or coffee from the coffee maker built for that robot. Then the center of the robot the cup is attached to raises up to about 3 feet for when you're sitting at the table and since hard wood floor with and open concept design is becoming popular it would make this quite feasible.
Or there would be work arounds for that specific model that fetches coffee. I'd imagine it would be like one of those small discs that pick up dust and cats ride around, but this instead fetches water or coffee from the coffee maker built for that robot. Then the center of the robot the cup is attached to raises up to about 3 feet for when you're sitting at the table and since hard wood floor with and open concept design is becoming popular it would make this quite feasible.
Last edited by T0ribush; Dec 12, 2018 at 05:14 AM.
Originally Posted by Elite
my logic for that situation is based on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
as for the second part, that was only an example, i created this thread for the general threat, not that single situation.
Ok I managed to watch that video for 10 minutes and was about to kill myself.
"Robot goes to fetch you a coffee but then there's a kid in its way so you rush to hit the killswitch but then the robot fights you because that'd interrupt him from fetching you coffee" - sorry, what? We already have working car autopilots that don't (usually) run over people in 2018 but future AI-having robots won't have simplest infrared cameras to see obstacles in front of them and would require a killswitch not to destroy everything on their path? Also it'd fight you, the owner? That's ridiculous.
It's generally painful to watch, everything he's covered in that 10-minute bit has been resolved years ago. It'd be somewhat okay if AI development basics were under discussion here - but obviously not its future and/or possible threats.
Originally Posted by sir
Ok I managed to watch that video for 10 minutes and was about to kill myself.
"Robot goes to fetch you a coffee but then there's a kid in its way so you rush to hit the killswitch but then the robot fights you because that'd interrupt him from fetching you coffee" - sorry, what? We already have working car autopilots that don't (usually) run over people in 2018 but future AI-having robots won't have simplest infrared cameras to see obstacles in front of them and would require a killswitch not to destroy everything on their path? Also it'd fight you, the owner? That's ridiculous.
It's generally painful to watch, everything he's covered in that 10-minute bit has been resolved years ago. It'd be somewhat okay if AI development basics were under discussion here - but obviously not its future and/or possible threats.
yeah that's fair enough, then again i made this thread to discuss the overall threat, not a single situation. none the less, as you stated earlier there are many different things that can happen with the development of AI, thought it would be a interesting topic to say the least.
