Toribash
Fudgiebalz:

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Shit:

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Grohenbird:

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Shield:

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In the end, you guys did a genuinely good job defending itemp. To me, it shows your willingness to tolerate the excessive toxicity that is present in this community. I see it like this: those of you who are dueling do not challenge a scummy person for their actions for fear of backlash from them and their friends or simply for fear of being laughed at. So instead, you adopt the same behavior, because if you're playing fair and acting polite, you're at a huge disadvantage against a scummy person. By accepting such behavior in others or adopting it yourself, you are contributing to the dueling community becoming even worse than it is now. Of course, it's only my opinion, but this is what the thread is actually about.

Levi said “I’ve seen some scummy shit on this game” and proceeded to mock Deoxer in game. You create this environment, you choose to treat each other like this.
Last edited by Diamond; Aug 18, 2020 at 06:35 AM.
If you think making a light hearted joke towards someone's mistake is considered scummy in this game, then you clearly haven't seen a lot.



Also to point out: I do not think what itemp did was right, obviously if someone did that to me I would be extremely upset as well. I was only posting because I thought your true intentions were to try and get itemp banned, which I was trying to make a case that toribash doesn't support usd duels and even the little punishment he received was ridiculous and maybe shows how much influence you have over the staff's opinion possibly because of your legend title. However based on your recent post, you've shown me that it wasn't your true intention and all you wanted was for people to admit what itemp did was really bad. Well here you go, yes, it was really bad.



At the end of the day, if I hurt Deoxer's feelings, I apologize, that wasn't my intention. I assumed my joke was light hearted enough for Deoxer to get a little chuckle out of it, but clearly the opposite occurred.
I like ya cut g.


Last edited by Shmevin; Aug 18, 2020 at 08:53 AM.
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Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
Fudgiebalz:
Why is this the most dishonest thread you’ve ever seen?

You (from my point of view)
- made unsupported claims
- twisted narratives
- sat on a high horse
- tried to steer conversation to an unfavourable light for iTemp
- made hypocritical arguments

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
I don’t understand how that quote by Ele is related to this topic, explain? I'm not sure what exactly you mean, but you might see an answer to this later in my post, though.

You use real life laws to say what toribash rules should be like, when you seemed to agree with Ele that toribash rules shouldn't be modelled after real life laws.

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
I was told by the two staff members who closed the thread, that the reason for closing that thread was to protect itemp from hate.

Then provide the proof dawg. I'm just going off of all the information available to me, and the information available to me was that you made an unsupported claim.

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
I agree that my questions are loaded. They contain my opinion, but it doesn’t make them harder to answer, even if you disagree.

The answers to your questions are useless because they are so loaded. It steers people one direction, which happens to be the direction you prefer.

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
Saying that theft is bad is not virtue signaling.

It is, though. Everyone already knows this. To then say 'I think theft is bad, guys' only serves to pat yourself on the back for having a moral compass.

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
You’re stating the obvious by saying that I disagree with staff, but it doesn’t mean I hate them.

I think the reason you made the thread was because of your dislike of staff (other people seem to think dislike of iTemp).

Originally Posted by Diamond View Post
As for “innocent until proven guilty”. It’s a fair point, as it always is. However, I’m not the investigator here, I’ve created this thread from my point of view, and I’m inviting people to share theirs. My point of view is as follows: a person who I’ve known for a few years to be the scummiest by far in the dueling community stole money from my friend.
I think, Levi, Grohenbird and Shield witnessed the duel, and they don't seem to be denying that it happened or that deoxer accidentally sent more money.

"I'm not the investigator, so I have no obligation to act logical and morally sound"
"I made this thread because I don't like iTemp, and he did a bad to my friend so now I can oust him"

Originally Posted by Shmevin View Post
Staff confiscated $135.00 worth of TC from iTemp, so certainly there is evidence to substantiate these claims. Also he admitted it was true in the post he made following this one.

None of this was known (to me) when Diamond first made the thread. My post was against the creation of the thread, questioning it's motive. A justification shouldn't come post hoc, when new information comes to light.
alright guy
Originally Posted by Shmevin View Post
"I will hold you and your clan members to standards I don't even hold myself or my clan members to."

I am not the one advocating for anything, Diamond is, so perhaps he should take action against his own clan members for theft if he's truly against theft.
Originally Posted by McFarbo View Post
I am not the one advocating for anything, Diamond is, so perhaps he should take action against his own clan members for theft if he's truly against theft.

what theft
Originally Posted by basic View Post
what theft

Velo has scammed Heat, Quest, iTemp and some others within the last month. He scammed quest just a few days ago.