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Torishop update
Good time of a day!
As you may have noticed, Torishop has been disabled for some time today. This happened due to major pricing changes we made.
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First of all, a lot of items' prices became more reasonable.
You wouldn't have to pay the same amounts of TC for main item types like bloods or joints and miscellaneous stuff (timers, user texts and so on) anymore.
You can check the difference by visiting the "View items by color" section in Torishop.
Secondly, all items are now ranged by Tiers.
Each tier has its own price borders and QI restrictions.
In addition to that, there are two special groups of items: Beginner items and Elite items.
Obviously, first one was made for beginner players and the second one - for pro players
Beginner items includes the cheapest items (250-500 TC for full set) with 0 QI restriction and Elite items are those with the highest prices (up to one million TC) and QI restrictions (up to 20,000).
And thirdly, as you can see in the list above, a brand new color was added.
Vortex
Vortex is on a timed sale (price is two times lower, QI restriction is 10 times lower) until the end of January.
Hurry up to get it in time!
So that is all! Have fun with new prices!
As you may have noticed, Torishop has been disabled for some time today. This happened due to major pricing changes we made.
CLICK
First of all, a lot of items' prices became more reasonable.
You wouldn't have to pay the same amounts of TC for main item types like bloods or joints and miscellaneous stuff (timers, user texts and so on) anymore.
You can check the difference by visiting the "View items by color" section in Torishop.
Secondly, all items are now ranged by Tiers.
Each tier has its own price borders and QI restrictions.
In addition to that, there are two special groups of items: Beginner items and Elite items.
Obviously, first one was made for beginner players and the second one - for pro players
Beginner items includes the cheapest items (250-500 TC for full set) with 0 QI restriction and Elite items are those with the highest prices (up to one million TC) and QI restrictions (up to 20,000).
Tiers
And thirdly, as you can see in the list above, a brand new color was added.
Vortex
Ingame look
Vortex is on a timed sale (price is two times lower, QI restriction is 10 times lower) until the end of January.
Hurry up to get it in time!
So that is all! Have fun with new prices!
It's not screwed in any way...considering all "the marketeers'' lost was profit and this was a minot set-back for making more profit.
Change is good, but still, i hope it stays this way, because it's not fun anymore, this is not a game anymore @.@ or is it?
Change is good, but still, i hope it stays this way, because it's not fun anymore, this is not a game anymore @.@ or is it?
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Answering some of the questions:
Because it is in high demand, the question answers itself. If the QI restriction is low it doesn't mean that this item is generally undesired.
No, QI restrictions work as usual. Tier system was introduced just for an easier classification of QI restrictions.
I doubt that making all black/white monochrome colors 10th dan+ items is ever going to work.
Alpha was a complementary color for [Alpha] in the first place, so it can be more expensive just because it is some sort of a collectible color forged specially for one clan and just made public.
Toxic and Quicksilver both have the highest prices among all other items of their tiers. There is absolutely no sense in having a price of 300k for a full set of a color that is accessible to Green Belts.
Exactly this idea was taken as a basis for the change. Previously a player could afford himself either some Gladiator items or nothing until he was green belt or even higher. New prices allow having noticeably more colors to choose from after he got to that belt. I'm not even speaking of Black Belt, when more than a half of colors are accessible (and 1k QI isn't even a half of what most players who stay in the game get after some time).
They are going to stay as they are now, at least for now.
Only 4.4% of items (if we only take colors) require 20k QI. You don't really have to get that much in order to customize your character in the way you want.
And you can always purchase QI from the Torishop.
Yes, it will. The price will be higher and each item will require 10.000 QI.
Obviously you do not know what does a "democratic change" mean by recommending consulting 4 richest players of the community. If we did that, the change would've been rather made in favor of oligarchy rather than "average users".
An average Toribash user doesn't know about forum existence or/and uses Torishop for his purchases rather than Market board.
$18 for one of the most expensive colors in the game was not fine. Especially taken the fact that it was being sold with no QI restriction.
If we convert the price into TC, $18 is less than 28k at official $/TC rate and about 200k at the "black market" rate. Both are way too low.
You will be happy that you got a 5th dan item for TC instead of $27 USD.
Feel free to contact me once your ban is lifted. If you manage to prove that it was borrowed from you (and not transferred to dozens of other people like some of the Azurite Forces from your inventory were), the item will be returned back to you if your friend agrees.
Ironically, Toribash is a fighting game and not an business/economic simulator.
All items are still available to be sold/bought from other users instead of Torishop.
It was down for some minutes due to the server backup.
The reason why there was no public announcement is that it would have just provoked chaotic attempts to sell all the stuff to those who haven't heard of the upcoming update. The rich would have lost less, average users who don't pay that much attention to market-related announcements would have lost more.
Step-by-step price reduction wouldn't make anyone feel better, either. Those who knew which items were going to become cheaper every next moment would have profited by selling them to those who don't. Finally, that would have created the same chaos as a usual announcement.
I also hate pointing out the TOS which everyone agrees with by registering, but it seems that this is the moment when many people forgot them:
Why the hell would you make a very high in demand item such as toxic a blue belt item
Because it is in high demand, the question answers itself. If the QI restriction is low it doesn't mean that this item is generally undesired.
Could we buy item that higher tier via transfer item? I mean buy it from market thread?
No, QI restrictions work as usual. Tier system was introduced just for an easier classification of QI restrictions.
if any two things should be moved up to the 10k+ qi zone it should be Quicksilver and Platinum.
I doubt that making all black/white monochrome colors 10th dan+ items is ever going to work.
There is no way Alpha should be more expensive than Void or Demon, and also examples like Toxic and other things like Quicksilver being dropped down.
Alpha was a complementary color for [Alpha] in the first place, so it can be more expensive just because it is some sort of a collectible color forged specially for one clan and just made public.
Toxic and Quicksilver both have the highest prices among all other items of their tiers. There is absolutely no sense in having a price of 300k for a full set of a color that is accessible to Green Belts.
One thing you guys who worked on this update might not understand, players like the customization.
Exactly this idea was taken as a basis for the change. Previously a player could afford himself either some Gladiator items or nothing until he was green belt or even higher. New prices allow having noticeably more colors to choose from after he got to that belt. I'm not even speaking of Black Belt, when more than a half of colors are accessible (and 1k QI isn't even a half of what most players who stay in the game get after some time).
When will the item pictures for the Vortex items been updated?
They are going to stay as they are now, at least for now.
And I totally agree with Suck. I don't have time to get 20k qi, nor work for a year to get it.
Only 4.4% of items (if we only take colors) require 20k QI. You don't really have to get that much in order to customize your character in the way you want.
And you can always purchase QI from the Torishop.
Timed sale including those special things such as lower price, qi, etc, but will it still be sold after the end of January?
Yes, it will. The price will be higher and each item will require 10.000 QI.
Just a little personal opinion here but I think they should consult today's biggest marketers and ask for their opinions
List o' big marketers;
JScrubmars
Shevaroler
Arrowbasse
firebolty
Instead of keeping this to yourselves let the average user state their opinion and allow for a democratic change because this sucks it really did screw a ton of people over.
Obviously you do not know what does a "democratic change" mean by recommending consulting 4 richest players of the community. If we did that, the change would've been rather made in favor of oligarchy rather than "average users".
An average Toribash user doesn't know about forum existence or/and uses Torishop for his purchases rather than Market board.
50$? come on, that's way worse, 18$ was fine...
$18 for one of the most expensive colors in the game was not fine. Especially taken the fact that it was being sold with no QI restriction.
If we convert the price into TC, $18 is less than 28k at official $/TC rate and about 200k at the "black market" rate. Both are way too low.
Sir, i have a imperial force and i am 2nd dan, what will happen with me?
You will be happy that you got a 5th dan item for TC instead of $27 USD.
So, because of tiers, say i let my friend borrow Azurite Force for a while, then all of a sudden this? Can i still get my force back? Or is tier shit in the way?
Feel free to contact me once your ban is lifted. If you manage to prove that it was borrowed from you (and not transferred to dozens of other people like some of the Azurite Forces from your inventory were), the item will be returned back to you if your friend agrees.
but i think this tier thing are going to ruin the market
many alts brown belts etc..
are not playing in game but just keep marketing
Ironically, Toribash is a fighting game and not an business/economic simulator.
All items are still available to be sold/bought from other users instead of Torishop.
The shop is down, does it by any chance have anything to do with this?
It was down for some minutes due to the server backup.
The reason why there was no public announcement is that it would have just provoked chaotic attempts to sell all the stuff to those who haven't heard of the upcoming update. The rich would have lost less, average users who don't pay that much attention to market-related announcements would have lost more.
Step-by-step price reduction wouldn't make anyone feel better, either. Those who knew which items were going to become cheaper every next moment would have profited by selling them to those who don't. Finally, that would have created the same chaos as a usual announcement.
I also hate pointing out the TOS which everyone agrees with by registering, but it seems that this is the moment when many people forgot them:
Originally Posted by Toribash Terms of Service
...5. Nabi Ownership
All virtual currency and items are the property of Nabi Studios Pte LTD. Nabi Studios reserve the right to remove, edit, move, or close any thread for any reason, without any obligation to notify you. Nabi Studios owns all items and reserves the right to remove them from your account at any time for any reason. They also may ban and modify accounts for any reason, without any obligation to inform you in advanced or afterwards. ..
Ok a representative democracy is what I was getting at, we could select a group of typical people selected by us. To make changes that weren't as dramatic and dumb as this.
And if alpha got such a big increase for being a collectors item how come Jiryu dreads aren't 300k or some ridiculous price, they were also specially made for a clan league winner.
I don't understand how more desired items are lowered in qi and price that makes no sense. and static was a very desired item and yet it's qi restriction got moved way up it really made no sense.
I honestly don't understand any of these changes, they're all in favor of the new people and with no thought of those who have been playing and actually worked and earned their stuff. and with some changes I know are coming a very anticipated item that was wanted for years is about to drop to 10k, once selling at 1mil+ for a full set will now plummet.
This is all very corrupt but I mean I see that it would be good for business to hook in new players but a main aspect of toribash being so addictive was trying to work like a son of a bitch to get the coolest looking tori. Now with a couple of games you can get something that was now 20k for a 5th of what it was.
All and all the point of playing has now been ruined and it really does suck, and again I see your point but I don't believe any new users would stay long after they've gotten what they've wanted.
And if alpha got such a big increase for being a collectors item how come Jiryu dreads aren't 300k or some ridiculous price, they were also specially made for a clan league winner.
I don't understand how more desired items are lowered in qi and price that makes no sense. and static was a very desired item and yet it's qi restriction got moved way up it really made no sense.
I honestly don't understand any of these changes, they're all in favor of the new people and with no thought of those who have been playing and actually worked and earned their stuff. and with some changes I know are coming a very anticipated item that was wanted for years is about to drop to 10k, once selling at 1mil+ for a full set will now plummet.
This is all very corrupt but I mean I see that it would be good for business to hook in new players but a main aspect of toribash being so addictive was trying to work like a son of a bitch to get the coolest looking tori. Now with a couple of games you can get something that was now 20k for a 5th of what it was.
All and all the point of playing has now been ruined and it really does suck, and again I see your point but I don't believe any new users would stay long after they've gotten what they've wanted.
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All and all the point of playing has now been ruined and it really does suck, and again I see your point but I don't believe any new users would stay long after they've gotten what they've wanted.
Generally the point of playing is to have fun, not work hard to get x items. Surely it is now easier to get some low-tier cheap stuff (which is the main reason for such items to exist at all), but 5th dan+ items do already cost quite much for regular users. And Elite tier items are even more pricy, so if you need some sort of stimulus to play apart from becoming more skillful / meeting more friends ingame, acquiring full demon would still work like it did before. The difference is that now you're able to buy it from the Torishop with TC as well as with USD.
Regarding the desired/undesired items: each tier has items which were sold extremely well and each has those which were not sold that good. It doesn't mean that all desired items now require 20 QI, neither does that mean that they all have a custom belt requirement. Toxic was just an example of how one color was made accessible a bit easier. Static's price was about 2 million in the shop, so it was moved to the Elite tier to keep it available for pro players only.
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