Originally Posted by Oracle
things he said
The problem with word replacement is that if after replacing the words its not true, it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure most of us here can agree that every Abrahamic religion is pretty "evil" if followed fundamentally. I'd dare to say the old testament is the worst of them all. So the jews should be the worst? Just so happens, that in the real world there are interpretations and cultural developments. It's not only the book, but also the context of the book itself that matters. The same way we denounce communism because what it causes (not necessarily only because the idealism in communism) we can denounce islam for what it stands for, and what it causes. Not only does it inspire individual acts of terror, it influences sexism, bigotry and homophobia world wide.
The only difference is that muslims are more fundamental with their religion for the reasons previously mentioned. In theory christianity is just as bad as islam, but in practice it just simply isn't. Sometimes you have to look at real world causes and patterns of behaviour.
Personally if it was up to me, we wouldn't have either. Secular humanism is all the moral guidance I believe we need.
To me christianity is still stupid, ignorant and even evil sometimes. But I wouldn't ever say its the same as islam.
But that world replacement argument you put forth, fell very flat.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jun 15, 2016 at 05:52 AM.
Originally Posted by wibblefox
If someone had a gun in that night club they could have saved 50 lives.
No, I don't expect people to carry """"assault weapons"""" with them in their every day lives, but you can imagine a situation where it is necessary to have something more powerful than a handgun.
(And actually just so you know, in the US handguns kill 20x more people than rifles do - and that's even ignoring that an """"assault weapon"""" is just one type of rifle. What's more there is 0 evidence that a gun ban would actually reduce gun crime at all in the first place, in Australia it did absolutely nothing, in the UK gun crime actually doubled after the ban whilst in the same period gun crime in the US decreased!)
Hand Guns are one of the most commonly used weapons in mass shootings, mainly school shootings. I know of this, but that is not my point. Which gun is going to cause more damage faster? An Automatic or a Hand Gun? It takes much more longer to reload, giving anyone around the area more time to get out of there. Yes, concealed carry is a great thing for these incidents. But we need to make sure these people that carry them are actually qualified and are, well, sane and safe. Background checks are a hell of a thing.
Originally Posted by wibblefox
but you can imagine a situation where it is necessary to have something more powerful than a handgun.
Bullets are Bullets. No.
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Originally Posted by Oracle
American Christian organizations sent representatives into African nations to create grassroot movements against homosexuality to promote laws being passed to make homosexuality illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda...lity_Act,_2014 The entire Kony movement is against a man who heads a Christian terrorist group intent on turning Uganda into a theocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony. There are Christian terrorist groups out there who publicly behead Muslims because they aren't Christian. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/wo...blic.html?_r=0 A Christian retreat to setup arranged marriages between teenage daughters in Kansas is only cancelled after it starts receiving press attention http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...00-attend.html
I'm sorry, where exactly is modern Christianity not promoting homophobia, sexism, or bigotry around the world? Christianity has it's bad apples just like Islam, and there are clearly people of the Christian faith promoting just as virulent beliefs as there are people of the Islamic faith who promote terrible beliefs. That does not make their entire religion evil.
There are literally hundreds of active Christian terror groups around the globe. If you literally do a google search right now of the list of active terror groups in the United States alone, you will find several Christian terror groups.
I literally will quote my own post that very same you responded to.
"To me christianity is still stupid, ignorant and even evil sometimes. But I wouldn't ever say its the same as islam."
What makes a religion evil is its teachings. Read the quran or the bible, they are horrible bigoted pieces of literature. That's why I will call their religion evil.
That should be the only answer you need. If you honestly, actually honestly, believe that islam and christianity cause the same amount of harm to the people around the world I don't know how we can further this conversation.
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Originally Posted by Risk
Nobody is saying Christianity isn't doing some shitty stuff too,
Also this.
Or rather influencing some shitty stuff, a religion cant do, it can only influence, but you get the point.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jun 15, 2016 at 06:28 AM.
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Originally Posted by Oracle
I am too smart for you guys
Put forth shitty arguments with unclear points.
Claim that other people don't understand your brilliance.
"Trump rallying for the persecution of muslims in the US will only support the us vs them mentality that all foul ideologies posses. USA or the EU attacking yet another country will only create more extremism, we have seen this. And in the end, it's every individuals human right to hold the beliefs and ideals he chooses to hold. I believe the only way to combat the atrocity that is islamic extremism world wide, is through education and socioeconomic change."
Nobody of us is arguing for the persecution all muslims now are we?
I literally argued the same thing are saying in your post earlier. You don't even read what other people write. You assume what they meant, instead of actually reading what they are saying. Read what other people write for once.
Last edited by Ele; Jun 15, 2016 at 09:03 AM.
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Seems to me like christianity was fine to shit on, to the point where most of America is no longer christian, but if you shit on islam, an ideology and system of law threatening to western way of life, not just religion, you get faced with accusations of hate, bigotry, inciting violence, and all that shit.
Where's the retoric for that?
These are the regressives in action.
If Islam wants to join in on Western civilization it needs to undergo an enlightenment, just like every other religion has.
Until then it can very well fuck off, and so can any apologists.
Where's the retoric for that?
These are the regressives in action.
If Islam wants to join in on Western civilization it needs to undergo an enlightenment, just like every other religion has.
Until then it can very well fuck off, and so can any apologists.
Last edited by Hattersin; Jun 15, 2016 at 07:50 AM.
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