Original Post
Rule Change in Private/Public Rooms
Hi,
We’ve recently updated the rules regarding private space and public space. I’m writing this semi-brief note to send the message along. Below will be a few points on why we made the change, what was actually changed, and finally, how it affects everyone going forward. You can find the rules in the FAQ.
Why
With the implementation of in-game reports, private v. public rooms were always a hot topic when looking at the reports. Tori-Agents look through game chat logs and replays to come to their verdict(s). “Was this a private room?” “What can we do about it?” were frequently asked questions among the team. The staff team discussed this and came to the conclusion to amend the rules. We felt that, through means of technicalities, “allowing” members to break rules because they’re in their own custom server, isn’t right. We’re not trying to shaft people from having fun, rather, keeping everything fun and friendly for everyone. If something is reported, in-game reports, or our traditional methods of sending a screenshot in, we deal with it.
What
For everyone, these guidelines should be common sense behavior, typical to everyday interactions with real people. Here’s the new rules paired by the old rules. Please take the time to read.
Going Forward
This isn’t to get rid of private rooms, you’re free to have your fun. Just be mindful of the others joining in. We strive to keep all platforms of Toribash a fun and friendly environment to want to be in. If you see behavior that clearly breaks the rules, report it. After that, ignore them using the ignore feature ingame. If you have feedback, you’re free to post, we’d love to hear it with the intentions of trying to improve.
We’ve recently updated the rules regarding private space and public space. I’m writing this semi-brief note to send the message along. Below will be a few points on why we made the change, what was actually changed, and finally, how it affects everyone going forward. You can find the rules in the FAQ.
Why
With the implementation of in-game reports, private v. public rooms were always a hot topic when looking at the reports. Tori-Agents look through game chat logs and replays to come to their verdict(s). “Was this a private room?” “What can we do about it?” were frequently asked questions among the team. The staff team discussed this and came to the conclusion to amend the rules. We felt that, through means of technicalities, “allowing” members to break rules because they’re in their own custom server, isn’t right. We’re not trying to shaft people from having fun, rather, keeping everything fun and friendly for everyone. If something is reported, in-game reports, or our traditional methods of sending a screenshot in, we deal with it.
What
For everyone, these guidelines should be common sense behavior, typical to everyday interactions with real people. Here’s the new rules paired by the old rules. Please take the time to read.
Originally Posted by New
- Harassment
Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on) other members of the game for any reason is not allowed. We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban. This includes any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community
"Public space" is defined as:
Game - Any room that is not protected by a password.
Forum - The entire forum with the exception of Wibbles and clan PRIVATE boards.
If it's brought to moderator's attention and found that your language disrupts the integrity of the environment we're setting; warnings, infractions, or bans will take place. Try to solve issues yourself if you can. We can't possibly be there for every single instance. Asking to politely stop is a start.
Originally Posted by Old
Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on) other members of the game for any reason is not allowed. We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban. This includes any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community - for more information read here.
And if you follow the link in the Old rules, this part, I'll put that in a spoiler
Addition
Going Forward
This isn’t to get rid of private rooms, you’re free to have your fun. Just be mindful of the others joining in. We strive to keep all platforms of Toribash a fun and friendly environment to want to be in. If you see behavior that clearly breaks the rules, report it. After that, ignore them using the ignore feature ingame. If you have feedback, you’re free to post, we’d love to hear it with the intentions of trying to improve.
Last edited by ed; Jan 21, 2020 at 08:36 AM.
Reason: clarity
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Originally Posted by CoKe
Gaslighting and assuming motive isn't a good look, especially when you are trying to make an argument.
Imagine trying to defend people's divine right to free speech and oppose censorship for one moment and not having to be a piece of shit racist yourself. Understand how that is possible? Evidently not.
Anyway, I've said my part - it's obvious the mob of feelings have taken control.
I'd first like to apologize for misinterpreting your last line as I thought you were talking about saying fuck it and getting reported for it. Besides that I have nothing to add, calling me a piece of shit racist and being pro-censorship is going way beyond what I said and I don't think there's much more discussion to be had if that's how you see me.
buh
Originally Posted by Finn
I'd first like to apologize for misinterpreting your last line as I thought you were talking about saying fuck it and getting reported for it. Besides that I have nothing to add, calling me a piece of shit racist and being pro-censorship is going way beyond what I said and I don't think there's much more discussion to be had if that's how you see me.
All good. I don't see you that way - hopefully you won't see me as someone trying to defend racism etc either. Just merely outlining the potential misuse of the new rules and trying to be objective as much as possible.
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Ok, so on the slurs side of things..
What's slur #3? I think it'd be good to get it crystal clear on which exact type of slurs we're not allowed to use. Dumbfuck is OK, as you've said. I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) this type of slur is OK because dumbfucks aren't an oppressed minority group. Cunt and slut are fine too, right? What about retard? Retarded people are an oppressed minority. Can we say 'fuck off retard'?
Can we actually get a comprehensive list of the slurs that are banned? Cus all a slur is just an insult - Some are accepted here, some aren't. Obviously, it's a particular type of slur that people have problems with.
I'd appreciate it if you could give us an actual list and not just respond (as it has been responded before) by just saying 'use common sense'. Cus it ain't common sense (what is 'common sense' is literally changing all the time, because the agreed upon 'common' part isn't static). Is calling someone retarded OK or not OK? What manner of slurs are banning? All slurs relating to intersectionality (social and political identities) - Or just /specific/ ones relating to race, gender expression and sexual orientation? If it just a select few, tell me which ones.
It's definitely important to iron this shit out precisely, so we know what we can and can't say - It ain't common sense...
I didn't open this can of worms, I'm just parsing it
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Make a working ignore button.
Originally Posted by ed
]I think everyone is looking a bit too much into this. You can call someone trash at the game, “You fucking suck”, “Holy shit, you’re bad” Don’t call someone a faggot, don’t call someone a nigger, don’t call someone slur #3
What's slur #3? I think it'd be good to get it crystal clear on which exact type of slurs we're not allowed to use. Dumbfuck is OK, as you've said. I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) this type of slur is OK because dumbfucks aren't an oppressed minority group. Cunt and slut are fine too, right? What about retard? Retarded people are an oppressed minority. Can we say 'fuck off retard'?
Can we actually get a comprehensive list of the slurs that are banned? Cus all a slur is just an insult - Some are accepted here, some aren't. Obviously, it's a particular type of slur that people have problems with.
I'd appreciate it if you could give us an actual list and not just respond (as it has been responded before) by just saying 'use common sense'. Cus it ain't common sense (what is 'common sense' is literally changing all the time, because the agreed upon 'common' part isn't static). Is calling someone retarded OK or not OK? What manner of slurs are banning? All slurs relating to intersectionality (social and political identities) - Or just /specific/ ones relating to race, gender expression and sexual orientation? If it just a select few, tell me which ones.
It's definitely important to iron this shit out precisely, so we know what we can and can't say - It ain't common sense...
I didn't open this can of worms, I'm just parsing it
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Originally Posted by sir
*incredulous reaction*
Make a working ignore button.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 21, 2020 at 10:14 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
Ok, so on the slurs side of things..
What's slur #3? I think it'd be good to get it crystal clear on which exact type of slurs we're not allowed to use. Dumbfuck is OK, as you've said. I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) this type of slur is OK because dumbfucks aren't an oppressed minority group. Cunt and slut are fine too, right? What about retard? Retarded people are an oppressed minority. Can we say 'fuck off retard'?
Can we actually get a comprehensive list of the slurs that are banned? Cus all a slur is just an insult - Some are accepted here, some aren't. Obviously, it's a particular type of slur that people have problems with.
I'd appreciate it if you could give us an actual list and not just respond (as it has been responded before) by just saying 'use common sense'. Cus it ain't common sense (what is 'common sense' is literally changing all the time, because the agreed upon 'common' part isn't static). Is calling someone retarded OK or not OK? What manner of slurs are banning? All slurs relating to intersectionality (social and political identities) - Or just /specific/ ones relating to race, gender expression and sexual orientation? If it just a select few, tell me which ones.
It's definitely important to iron this shit out precisely, so we know what we can and can't say - It ain't common sense...
I didn't open this can of worms, I'm just parsing it.
Fair points
I don't know every slur in the book, I see that as a good thing. "slur #3" meaning, "and so on". If I had to contextualize what slurs we're talking about that offends the majority of people it would probably be; ethnic, racial, gender based, and religious. But not just limited to just those. If I had to put it in my own terms, using words which the sole purpose and creation of said word is to try and degrade/offend someone because they're "x". I can only explain it as "I know it when I see it." Which context plays a role into everything; e.g "monkey."
I wouldn't use "retard" as it's to compare with someone who has [a] mental retardation, a word changed for the better to "intellectual disability." It's to degrade with the comparison to people with an "intellectual disability" because they're "x."
Worms are already spread, I don't mind talking about it. It's the least I can do.
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