if you can't get the head go for the arm. cradle suits it well. from a straight between the legs you can reach the neck at a stretch. you could also extend the concept of the cradle to include anything that makes them "be the ball" weather they want to be or not. they you can start using self grabs to aid in the cradle.

note lost the head grab one will upload when i find it.

It's all great in theory, let's get some replays

Whoops forgot example replays. I'll post them when i get home.

Since you're not actually locking your hands i think the term "body crunch" would suit it better.

Leg crunch?
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Your first replay ins't a leg wrap/cradle/crunch because you're grabbing the leg directly, but the second is good.

i lumped it in because all these moves make the opponent become the ball. the specific technique to me is less important than the concept behind why it works. thats why most of my posts center around a set of moves like legs throws or shoulder throws. i like the sound of body crunch. i think im going to change from calling it the be the ball move set.

We need to make some changes to the knowledge base so we can fit these new techniques in

Yeah, it really needs to be cleaned out, get rid of some of the gunky moves

Which moves do you think should be axed?

It's a fireman's carry without the leg grab. We could apply this to toribash.