Originally Posted by
Maya
You'd like to think that, I would too... but that's actually not the reality. In most places even here in the US people do not feel comfortable coming out as queer, nevermind being visibly queer on the street.
There's gays kids everywhere. It is not a taboo these days - It ain't the 50s.
Every now and again you'll see a video of some person being racist/sexist/homophobic to another person in some public place (like a bus). You ever see the comment sections for these videos? It's full of people calling the racist/sexist/homophobic person a piece of shit. Bigotry aint acceptable and any reasonable people knows that.
Originally Posted by
Maya
It removes weight from these issues, makes light of them.
Yes, that's what jokes are supposed to do. You take serious issues and you turn them into comedy. I think that putting a category of people into a space where they're 'protected' from jokes actually just disempowers and furthers the notion that these people are victims who should be treated differently from everyone else.
All comedy is fair game. There are bad jokes and there are good jokes. I've heard funny woman-beating jokes and I've heard horrible woman-beating jokes. Woman-beating jokes ought not to be banned. If they're bad, don't laugh.
Originally Posted by
Maya
So the majority of German citizens just being complacent with the alienation and subsequent genocide of Jews... the reasonable people jumped on board because it was a valid moral revolution? It's not that simple at all.
There's some historical ignorance at play here. The German citizenry was not aware that Jews were being slaughtered in concentration camps. It wasn't until after the war that the true horrors of what was taking place came to light.
People rallied behind Hitler because he was 'Making Germany Great Again', not because 'Fuck The Jews'. In fact, many Germans were uncomfortable with the Nazi party's stance on Jews, so much so that Hitler and Goebbels substancially toned down that sort of rhetoric as the war progressed. The 'Fuck The Jews' thing was more of a personal project for Hitler (and some others of his inner circle).
If America was at war with Mexico and it came out that Hispanic Americans were being slaughtered in concentration camps, everybody would be suitably shocked and appalled. No reasonable people would agree with that shit.
Originally Posted by
Maya
Would you like me to ask Tonakai if I can share the screenshot of the discussion between him and I on this, where he changed his mind and agreed with me on the issue? He sure is level-headed, as you said.
Sure. I'm somehow not surpised that you got him to tell you he changed his mind. I hope you didn't do it using that same 'logical' argument you used in that thread, because that was shithouse.
Last edited by Ele; Feb 11, 2020 at 09:19 AM.